From klowen at hsnp.com Thu Jul 1 08:37:45 2004 From: klowen at hsnp.com (lawrence) Date: Thu Mar 24 11:51:01 2005 Subject: [owen] being there Message-ID: <000f01c45f68$362ef0e0$9989fea9@oemcomputer> Dan -- Hamilton recommends a theory acted on by Napoleon, Stalin, and Hitler. Some recommendation! Cheers -- Lawrence -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://my.binhost.com/pipermail/owen/attachments/20040701/1ee7c32e/attachment.htm From Dowen at wcvt.com Thu Jul 1 08:05:54 2004 From: Dowen at wcvt.com (Owen, Dan) Date: Thu Mar 24 11:51:01 2005 Subject: [owen] Fair Weather Fan Message-ID: <805AC326445AED4B907F72E6CDB5D763047322@tnetexchange.corp.wcvt.com> Nate, After the Sox dropped another game to the Yankees last night due to errors in the field I am considering dusting off the Yankees hat. This would be the first time I have switched hats prior to the All Star break. Do you think the Sox can make a come back or not? I will keep the Yankees hat on the shelf until I hear back from you. Love you all Dan O............... -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://my.binhost.com/pipermail/owen/attachments/20040701/30eca488/attachment.htm From kmcassels at sbcw-law.com Thu Jul 1 12:41:33 2004 From: kmcassels at sbcw-law.com (Kelly Mack Cassels) Date: Thu Mar 24 11:51:01 2005 Subject: [owen] having fun In-Reply-To: <27917DA9-CAF3-11D8-89CC-000393A6F71A@binhost.com> Message-ID: <001801c45f8a$462b87c0$c793fea9@domain1> In the same way that half of you would not go and watch a documentary on John Kerry produced by Rush Limbaugh, I would not spend 2 cents to watch this political hack job by the wacko Moore. Kelly --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.712 / Virus Database: 468 - Release Date: 6/27/04 From SAOwen at TarrantCounty.com Fri Jul 2 11:03:49 2004 From: SAOwen at TarrantCounty.com (Steve Owen) Date: Thu Mar 24 11:51:01 2005 Subject: [owen] having fun Message-ID: Good morning loved ones. Every year on the 4th (but today because the 4th falls on a weekend), NPR's Morning Edition does a reading of the Declaration of Independence. The various reporters, news anchors, and commentators each read a section. As I lay in bed this morning I listened to the voices of Red Barber, Baxter Black the Cowboy Poet, and Bob Edwards, among others, recite one of the most beautiful and most seditious writings in the history of politics. The document is absolutely brilliant in its pithy and brutally direct accusations and pronouncements. This morning and every morning, I am proud to be an American. I love that we allow 9 citizens, appointed for life, to tell us who our next president is going to be, and we don't attempt a violent insurrection because of it. I love it when those same 9 citizens then hold that same president to account regarding his attempt to establish gulags in the name of our country. I love it when our country gets national vapors over a bare breast at a football game but then goes right back to watching commercials regarding erectile dysfunction and 4-hour erections as a possible side effect. I love it that the grocery stores are running ads this weekend for hamburger fixings and watermelons, because that is still what we look forward to when we have our gatherings. I love it that Ann Coulter and Michael Moore have both become rich by pissing on the powerful of our country. I am thrilled that both Rush Limbaugh and Howard Stern engage in multi-hour rants each day over our national airwaves, and we choose to listen to one, both, or neither as we wish. I love it that the Southern Baptist congregations and the Muslim congregations can be narrow-minded jerks when they want and still get government-protected tax exemptions because they are practicing their religions as they wish. I love it that white kids are all about hip-hop culture and pants riding down to their crotch, and Bill Cosby is again blasting irresponsible behavior in his community. I love it that our country is kind of like our family, engaging in a form of functioning schizophrenia that somehow seems to endure. Today is the 40th anniversary of the Civil Rights bill. I say thank God for civil rights for schizophrenic behavior! See you at your neighborhood 4th of July parade. I'll bring the bratwurst! Cheers, Steve From jowen at greenhills.net Sun Jul 4 08:37:14 2004 From: jowen at greenhills.net (Jack) Date: Thu Mar 24 11:51:01 2005 Subject: [owen] celebrating our independence. Message-ID: <200407041121.i64BLP7Y011089@ghlin4.greenhills.net> Good morning all from Mid Missouri : We want to all pause long enough today to be so thankful to the few coragous men who laid their wealth, labors, and lives on the line when they signed one of the greatest documents ever written.We want to give serious thought to how some of those freedoms fought for are slowly slipping away. You all have a good and happy day. Love you all Jack From howen at netvision.net.il Sun Jul 4 11:36:25 2004 From: howen at netvision.net.il (Homer Owen) Date: Thu Mar 24 11:51:01 2005 Subject: [owen] FW: A REAL AMERICAN HERO In-Reply-To: <1520-220047041420236@M2W077.mail2web.com> Message-ID: ---------- We drove by the American Embassy this morning in Tel Aviv and I am thankful for the freedom we have in our great nation. Love, Homer Campbell's Capitol Communication Wednesday, June 30th, 2004 4th of July: In each of the 4 years that I have been a member of the (California) State Assembly, we have had many "celebrations" on the Assembly floor.? These "celebrations" are orchestrated by the Democrats who control the House and often involve singing and dancing.? Every one of my 4 years have seen substantial celebrations of Cinco de Mayo (Commemorates the Mexican victory over the French at the Battle of Puebla ), St. Patrick's Day (for the patron Saint of Ireland) and Chinese New Year's Day, among others.? But never once have we celebrated America's Independence Day, the 4th of July. So, this year, Republican Assemblyman Jay LaSuer of San Diego arranged for Vietnam war hero Admiral Jeremiah Denton to come to California to be a part of a 4th of July ceremony.? As you may know, Admiral Denton was a Navy pilot in Vietnam who was shot down and spent 8 years in a Vietnamese prison.? In 1966 while in prison, he was interviewed by North Vietnamese television in Hanoi after torture to get him to "respond properly."? During this interview, he blinked his eyes in Morse code to spell out the word "torture."? He was asked about his support for the war in Vietnam to which he replied "I don't know what is happening now in Vietnam, because the only news sources I have are Vietnamese.? But whatever the position of my government is, I believe in it, I support it, and I will support it as long as I live."? Four of his 8 years in prison were spent in solitary confinement.? He later wrote the book "When Hell was in Session" chronicling his experience in Vietnam. When he stepped off the plane after being released from prison in 1973, he said "We are honored to have had the opportunity to serve our country in difficult circumstances. We are profoundly grateful to our Commander-in-Chief for this day. God bless America."? He was later elected to the U.S. Senate from his home state of Alabama, becoming the first retired Admiral ever elected to that body. I could go on and on about his accomplishments. Suffice it to say, Jeremiah Denton is unquestionably an American hero. The Democratic leadership refused to allow him on the Assembly floor and there will be no 4th of July celebration.? A memo from the Democratic speaker's office said "problems have arisen both with regards to the spirit, content and participation of various individuals with regard to the ceremony."? Apparently, they said that he did not believe in the "separation of church and state" and they didn't like the policies he supported as a United States Senator and therefore they would not allow him to be on the Assembly floor or to speak. Upon hearing about this, Governor Schwarzenegger offered his meeting room last Monday for a ceremony with Admiral Denton. The room was overflowing with people.? Only one elected Democrat was in attendance. A number of veterans of the last 4 wars were present.? Admiral Denton gave a very moving speech about the 4th of July and about the undeniable commitment of our founding fathers' to their faith in God.? He talked about how the war on terrorism may be the most difficult war we have yet fought.? And he went on to say that he fears that partisan attacks on our mission and our troops in Iraq and Afghanistan sound too familiar to what he experienced in Vietnam.? Following his speech, The Governor came out to personally spend time with him. Then this American hero, whose debt from us all can never be repaid, flew home to Alabama. The Assembly did meet on that day. And we did have a ceremony that lasted nearly 20 minutes.? That ceremony was to celebrate the career of a reporter from the LA Times on the occasion of his retirement.? Democrats universally praised him as being "balanced." He was allowed to speak for about 10 minutes.? Admiral Denton was no longer in the building. Four years of Cinco De Mayo and not one recognition of the 4th of July. An LA Times reporter praised, and the very person whose sacrifice allows him to express his opinion is banned.? It is perverse.? It is wrong.? And it is disrespectful to all the men and women in uniform who have stared death in the face and to those who gave the ultimate sacrifice for the American people. Admiral Jeremiah Denton is a hero not because he was politician, but like all the other men and women of the Armed Forces, because he defended the ideals set forth with America's independence. Democrats are always railing about intolerance and discrimination.? But yet in practice, it is they who engage in regular state-sanctioned discrimination and who are intolerant of the presentation of other views.? Maybe they are worried that people will listen. I do not send you this to bash Democrats.? I send you this to demonstrate the huge chasm that exists between registered, voting Democrats, and elected Democrat leadership.? I hope those of you who are not Democrats, will send this to your friends who are.? If you are a Democrat, don't be ashamed.? Be angry. Change your party and your leadership, or leave it. Fortunately, we do not need the approval of the Speaker of the Assembly to celebrate our nation's independence this Sunday.? Nor do we need his permission to thank those who fought to give us and to maintain our freedoms.? On this 4th of July, as the burgers cook and the fireworks fly, let us remember......and give thanks. As a final offering, I give you a poem that Admiral Denton read to us this week, through eyes clouded with tears: It is the soldier, not the reporter, Who has given us freedom of the press. It is the soldier, not the poet, Who has given us freedom of speech. It is the soldier, not the campus organizer, Who has given us the freedom to demonstrate. It is the soldier, Who salutes the flag, Who serves beneath the flag, And whose coffin is draped by the flag, Who allows the protester to burn the flag." Amen. God bless America. Until next week, I remain, Assemblyman John Campbell Michelle Hart, District Director Assemblyman John Campbell 949.863.7070 phone 949.863.9337 fax ----- End forwarded message ----- -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From nikkib21 at sbcglobal.net Mon Jul 5 19:09:56 2004 From: nikkib21 at sbcglobal.net (Nicole Bourland) Date: Thu Mar 24 11:51:01 2005 Subject: [owen] Fair Weather Fan In-Reply-To: <805AC326445AED4B907F72E6CDB5D763047322@tnetexchange.corp.wcvt.com> Message-ID: <20040705230956.43500.qmail@web81204.mail.yahoo.com> Dan I was at the 13 inning Yankees vs. Boston game in NY last Thursday. You better get that NY hat on and ready to wear! Man it was so awesome!!!! GO YANKEES :) Nicole "Owen, Dan" wrote: Nate, After the Sox dropped another game to the Yankees last night due to errors in the field I am considering dusting off the Yankees hat. This would be the first time I have switched hats prior to the All Star break. Do you think the Sox can make a come back or not? I will keep the Yankees hat on the shelf until I hear back from you. Love you all Dan O............... _______________________________________________ Owen mailing list Owen@owenconnections.com https://my.binhost.com/lists/listinfo/owen Full archives at: http://archives.binhost.com/~owen -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://my.binhost.com/pipermail/owen/attachments/20040705/28b0559a/attachment.htm From klowen at hsnp.com Mon Jul 5 21:22:01 2004 From: klowen at hsnp.com (lawrence) Date: Thu Mar 24 11:51:01 2005 Subject: [owen] 4th of July Message-ID: <002301c462f7$a5bba9c0$9989fea9@oemcomputer> Kathleen and I had the pleasure of spending the fourth of July with Jack, Helen, their family,and friends. Jack fried catfish from his pond, everyone brought food, and we enjoyed being together on a marvelous 4th. The men who wrote the Declaration of Independence laid out general claims, then wrote a very specific bill of particulars against King George III. Here are two of the particulars: "He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harass our people, and eat out their substance. He has kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies without the Consent of our legislatures. . . . ." Three cheers! -- Lawrence -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://my.binhost.com/pipermail/owen/attachments/20040705/1843292d/attachment.htm From Dowen at wcvt.com Tue Jul 6 07:17:33 2004 From: Dowen at wcvt.com (Owen, Dan) Date: Thu Mar 24 11:51:01 2005 Subject: [owen] Fair Weather Fan Message-ID: <805AC326445AED4B907F72E6CDB5D763047327@tnetexchange.corp.wcvt.com> Nicole, Schilling is the only pitcher the Red Sox have that's worth a darn right now. If the Sox don't turn things around soon I doubt they will have a wild card chance. Time to trade Nomar. Dan O............ -----Original Message----- From: owen-bounces@owenconnections.com [mailto:owen-bounces@owenconnections.com]On Behalf Of Nicole Bourland Sent: Monday, July 05, 2004 7:10 PM To: owen@owenconnections.com Subject: Re: [owen] Fair Weather Fan Dan I was at the 13 inning Yankees vs. Boston game in NY last Thursday. You better get that NY hat on and ready to wear! Man it was so awesome!!!! GO YANKEES :) Nicole "Owen, Dan" wrote: Nate, After the Sox dropped another game to the Yankees last night due to errors in the field I am considering dusting off the Yankees hat. This would be the first time I have switched hats prior to the All Star break. Do you think the Sox can make a come back or not? I will keep the Yankees hat on the shelf until I hear back from you. Love you all Dan O............... _______________________________________________ Owen mailing list Owen@owenconnections.com https://my.binhost.com/lists/listinfo/owen Full archives at: http://archives.binhost.com/~owen -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://my.binhost.com/pipermail/owen/attachments/20040706/01a1dff1/attachment.htm From nikkib21 at sbcglobal.net Tue Jul 6 17:39:56 2004 From: nikkib21 at sbcglobal.net (Nicole Bourland) Date: Thu Mar 24 11:51:01 2005 Subject: [owen] Fair Weather Fan In-Reply-To: <805AC326445AED4B907F72E6CDB5D763047327@tnetexchange.corp.wcvt.com> Message-ID: <20040706213956.49258.qmail@web81204.mail.yahoo.com> DAN! NO!!!! Ya'll don't need to trade Nomar! He's one of the best things on that team and the coaching isn't giving a chance to turn himself around. Why he wasn't put in to pinch hit in that 13 inning game, I'll never know. But he should have been!!! Boston's now 8 games back....they're done! :) My boys, The Bombers, are going all the way!!!! See, now sports is fun to talk and argue about. I can participate in that! Nicole "Owen, Dan" wrote: Nicole, Schilling is the only pitcher the Red Sox have that's worth a darn right now. If the Sox don't turn things around soon I doubt they will have a wild card chance. Time to trade Nomar. Dan O............ -----Original Message----- From: owen-bounces@owenconnections.com [mailto:owen-bounces@owenconnections.com]On Behalf Of Nicole Bourland Sent: Monday, July 05, 2004 7:10 PM To: owen@owenconnections.com Subject: Re: [owen] Fair Weather Fan Dan I was at the 13 inning Yankees vs. Boston game in NY last Thursday. You better get that NY hat on and ready to wear! Man it was so awesome!!!! GO YANKEES :) Nicole "Owen, Dan" wrote: Nate, After the Sox dropped another game to the Yankees last night due to errors in the field I am considering dusting off the Yankees hat. This would be the first time I have switched hats prior to the All Star break. Do you think the Sox can make a come back or not? I will keep the Yankees hat on the shelf until I hear back from you. Love you all Dan O............... _______________________________________________ Owen mailing list Owen@owenconnections.com https://my.binhost.com/lists/listinfo/owen Full archives at: http://archives.binhost.com/~owen _______________________________________________ Owen mailing list Owen@owenconnections.com https://my.binhost.com/lists/listinfo/owen Full archives at: http://archives.binhost.com/~owen -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://my.binhost.com/pipermail/owen/attachments/20040706/9812b7aa/attachment.htm From Dowen at wcvt.com Wed Jul 7 10:14:10 2004 From: Dowen at wcvt.com (Owen, Dan) Date: Thu Mar 24 11:51:01 2005 Subject: [owen] Fair Weather Fan Message-ID: <805AC326445AED4B907F72E6CDB5D763430F43@tnetexchange.corp.wcvt.com> Nicole, The Sox desperately need a couple more decent starting pitchers. They have better infielders than Nomar and his hitting has been suspect since his return form injury. He is not happy at Boston and is valuable trade material. I say trade Nomar for um, lets see, how about Randy Johnson, yeah that works for me. By the way the Sox trounced Oakland last night 11-0. Wakefield finally got into the seventh inning without being shelled. Dan O................. -----Original Message----- From: owen-bounces@owenconnections.com [mailto:owen-bounces@owenconnections.com]On Behalf Of Nicole Bourland Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 5:40 PM To: owen@owenconnections.com Subject: RE: [owen] Fair Weather Fan DAN! NO!!!! Ya'll don't need to trade Nomar! He's one of the best things on that team and the coaching isn't giving a chance to turn himself around. Why he wasn't put in to pinch hit in that 13 inning game, I'll never know. But he should have been!!! Boston's now 8 games back....they're done! :) My boys, The Bombers, are going all the way!!!! See, now sports is fun to talk and argue about. I can participate in that! Nicole "Owen, Dan" wrote: Nicole, Schilling is the only pitcher the Red Sox have that's worth a darn right now. If the Sox don't turn things around soon I doubt they will have a wild card chance. Time to trade Nomar. Dan O............ -----Original Message----- From: owen-bounces@owenconnections.com [mailto:owen-bounces@owenconnections.com]On Behalf Of Nicole Bourland Sent: Monday, July 05, 2004 7:10 PM To: owen@owenconnections.com Subject: Re: [owen] Fair Weather Fan Dan I was at the 13 inning Yankees vs. Boston game in NY last Thursday. You better get that NY hat on and ready to wear! Man it was so awesome!!!! GO YANKEES :) Nicole "Owen, Dan" wrote: Nate, After the Sox dropped another game to the Yankees last night due to errors in the field I am considering dusting off the Yankees hat. This would be the first time I have switched hats prior to the All Star break. Do you think the Sox can make a come back or not? I will keep the Yankees hat on the shelf until I hear back from you. Love you all Dan O............... _______________________________________________ Owen mailing list Owen@owenconnections.com https://my.binhost.com/lists/listinfo/owen Full archives at: http://archives.binhost.com/~owen _______________________________________________ Owen mailing list Owen@owenconnections.com https://my.binhost.com/lists/listinfo/owen Full archives at: http://archives.binhost.com/~owen -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://my.binhost.com/pipermail/owen/attachments/20040707/48017f0a/attachment.htm From rowen1 at triad.rr.com Thu Jul 8 18:39:59 2004 From: rowen1 at triad.rr.com (Roger Owen) Date: Thu Mar 24 11:51:01 2005 Subject: [owen] Reunion golf Message-ID: <002801c4653c$809aac80$6401a8c0@RogerOwen> I visited with Steven last week concerning the golf details for the reunion. I was in Texas and thought that I would do some scouting around and he told me that he would be happy for me to do that and here are the results that I got. The Garden City Resort is everybit as beautiful as advertised. In fact it is ranked the #3 best public golf course in Texas. I recommend that we play it on Friday morning at 11:00. We could be at the camp by 4:00. I think that Bobby has set up a lunch for the 1st generation at the Magnolia restaurant in Canton for Friday. I guess that would leave Lawrence as the only one having to make a decision concerning play on Friday. On Saturday morning, there is municipal course in Tyler we can play not far from the camp that would be cheaper, if the green fees for Garden City present a problem. Please give me your feed back. There really is a lot of difference in quality of courses. As soon as I get a head count and feed back, I will book the Saturday times. Green fees: Garden Valley - weekdays $45, Srs. $35.----weekends $65 and $55 Pine Springs - Saturday $34 and $28 for Seniors. Thanks, Roger Owen, CLU, ChFC, CSA Longhorn Financial Advisors, LLC -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://my.binhost.com/pipermail/owen/attachments/20040708/899ba546/attachment.htm From owengj at ultravision.net Thu Jul 8 21:39:32 2004 From: owengj at ultravision.net (G P Owen) Date: Thu Mar 24 11:51:01 2005 Subject: [owen] Reunion Information Message-ID: <001101c46555$af4b26e0$dfda5a42@DH61ZN21> The latest figures for reservations for the reunion by branch: Jewell-2, Jack-4, Anna Jo-1,Warren-4,Gwynne-2,G P-5,John David-3,Bobby-10,Lawrence-6,Homer-8 For a total of 45. I must have a count no later than Aug 10 to give the camp on the morning of Aug 11. Jean and I went to Tyler on Tuesday morning to get answers to questions that some people were asking. * There is only one type of reservation -- full participation $83 per adult over 5 years, $41.50 for children 3-5 years of age and free for children 0-2 years. * The only exception is $5 for the Saturday night cook out only. * The lodge has sleeping arrangements in dorm style with a male bathroom on one side, a female bathroom (with doors on the stalls and curtains on the showers) on the other side and people will be free to choose a bed wherever they want it. You need to bring twin bed linens including pillows and towels. * Be sure to bring your bathing suit if you plan to go swimming. They have life jackets for everyone but recommended bringing the younger one's own life jacket if they have one. There will be a lifeguard on duty Saturday afternoon. *In additon to your personal items, please bring snacks for the spread in the meeting room, folding lawn chairs for your convenience while attending outside activities such as watching your young uns swimming, riding horses, playing horse shoes, volley-ball, using the rope climbs, etc. * Jean and I rented a 4 seat golf cart that will be available for taking people to dining room swimming pool or wherever they want to go. * When you arrive at Rockin C follow signs around to the camp. Park in the area identified as parking. There will be 4 wheel wagons available for carrying your luggage to the lodge which can be pulled up the ramp to the meeting room. There will be a short flight of stairs up to the sleeping rooms. (The golf cart will be available for transporting luggage & people) * We will have a release form for all parents to sign for their children at the time of registration. * Please provide me with the age of all children that will be taking part in the activities such as horse back riding, rope climbing etc. Rockin C need this to provide supervisors, ponies, horses appropriate for age groups. Remember all of the activities are included in your fee. * The camp will be cleaned and available for us to check in at 3 PM. Supper will be served at 7:30 that evening. * Roger, please provide me with a count of golfers for Saturday morning and the time that they want their breakfast.. Rockin C will provide your breakfast and a sack lunch to take with you. Again this is included in your fee. * We will have a few cold drinks and water iced down when you arrive. If you want to bring a cooler for drinks, the camp will provide ice for them R E M E M B E R I N E E D R E S E R V A T I O N S Looking forward to a great time. Love, G P & Jean -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://my.binhost.com/pipermail/owen/attachments/20040708/9fe1a6cd/attachment.htm From howen at netvision.net.il Fri Jul 9 06:45:05 2004 From: howen at netvision.net.il (Homer Owen) Date: Thu Mar 24 11:51:02 2005 Subject: [owen] Reunion golf In-Reply-To: <002801c4653c$809aac80$6401a8c0@RogerOwen> Message-ID: on 7/9/04 1:39 AM, Roger Owen at rowen1@triad.rr.com wrote: > I visited with Steven last week concerning the golf details for the reunion. > I was in Texas and thought that I would do some scouting around and he told me > that he would be happy for me to do that and here are the results that I got. > > The Garden City Resort is everybit as beautiful as advertised. In fact it is > ranked the #3 best public golf course in Texas. I recommend that we play it > on Friday morning at 11:00. We could be at the camp by 4:00. I think that > Bobby has set up a lunch for the 1st generation at the Magnolia restaurant in > Canton for Friday. I guess that would leave Lawrence as the only one having > to make a decision concerning play on Friday. > > On Saturday morning, there is municipal course in Tyler we can play not far > from the camp that would be cheaper, if the green fees for Garden City present > a problem. Please give me your feed back. There really is a lot of > difference in quality of courses. As soon as I get a head count and feed > back, I will book the Saturday times. > > Green fees: > > Garden Valley - weekdays $45, Srs. $35.----weekends $65 and $55 > > Pine Springs - Saturday $34 and $28 for Seniors. > > > Thanks, > > Roger Owen, CLU, ChFC, CSA > Longhorn Financial Advisors, LLC > > _______________________________________________ > Owen mailing list > Owen@owenconnections.com > https://my.binhost.com/lists/listinfo/owen > Full archives at: http://archives.binhost.com/~owen > If Mark and Robert is playing Friday you can count me in and for sure on Saturday morning. Check and see if they have a special for missionaries along with being a senior and bald headed. Love, Homer From Dowen at wcvt.com Fri Jul 9 07:08:34 2004 From: Dowen at wcvt.com (Owen, Dan) Date: Thu Mar 24 11:51:02 2005 Subject: [owen] Reunion golf Message-ID: <805AC326445AED4B907F72E6CDB5D763059591@tnetexchange.corp.wcvt.com> Roger, I support any golf course desicions you make although I do not care for rubber mats on the tee box and windmills on the putting surface. Anyway, if I was to voice an opinion it would not allow me to criticize your course selection upon arrival:) I look forward to seeing everyone in a few weeks. Should I bring long johns and a sweater? I understand Texas is cool and breezy in August. Love you all Dan O......... -----Original Message----- From: owen-bounces@owenconnections.com on behalf of Roger Owen Sent: Thu 7/8/2004 6:39 PM To: owen@owenconnections.com Subject: [owen] Reunion golf I visited with Steven last week concerning the golf details for the reunion. I was in Texas and thought that I would do some scouting around and he told me that he would be happy for me to do that and here are the results that I got. The Garden City Resort is everybit as beautiful as advertised. In fact it is ranked the #3 best public golf course in Texas. I recommend that we play it on Friday morning at 11:00. We could be at the camp by 4:00. I think that Bobby has set up a lunch for the 1st generation at the Magnolia restaurant in Canton for Friday. I guess that would leave Lawrence as the only one having to make a decision concerning play on Friday. On Saturday morning, there is municipal course in Tyler we can play not far from the camp that would be cheaper, if the green fees for Garden City present a problem. Please give me your feed back. There really is a lot of difference in quality of courses. As soon as I get a head count and feed back, I will book the Saturday times. Green fees: Garden Valley - weekdays $45, Srs. $35.----weekends $65 and $55 Pine Springs - Saturday $34 and $28 for Seniors. Thanks, Roger Owen, CLU, ChFC, CSA Longhorn Financial Advisors, LLC -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 3400 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://my.binhost.com/pipermail/owen/attachments/20040709/e664182d/attachment.bin From klowen at hsnp.com Fri Jul 9 11:34:15 2004 From: klowen at hsnp.com (lawrence) Date: Thu Mar 24 11:51:02 2005 Subject: [owen] golf and horses Message-ID: <001101c465ca$33117dc0$9989fea9@oemcomputer> Roger, please include me in the Saturday golf outing, but leave me out of the Friday round. In today's paper, a letter writer from Fort Smith concluded his epistle against marriage for gays with two fine paragraphs: "If I wanted to be a horse and convinced legislators to pass a bill declaring that I am a horse and got the courts to uphold this legislation, would that mean that I am a horse? Of course not. I am what I have always been and always will be -- a man. "The same holds true for marriage. Marriage will always be what it always has been and no amount of legislation will ever change it." Ah yes, how good it must feel to be convinced of an absolute truth that every man and woman who ever lived fit right into the exact same mold of social behavior that I approve. Cheers -- Lawrence -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://my.binhost.com/pipermail/owen/attachments/20040709/250f79af/attachment.htm From res09jcs at verizon.net Fri Jul 9 10:44:33 2004 From: res09jcs at verizon.net (res09jcs) Date: Thu Mar 24 11:51:02 2005 Subject: [owen] Reunion & Golf Message-ID: <001a01c465c3$405b2640$33b50d04@home> Hey Roger: Count me in on both days of golf as well. I'm open for either or both courses. Does the senior rate begin with an amount of grandchildren? Maybe they need assistance adjusting mowers? I will work for golf. I am looking forward to seeing everyone although I'm sure uncle Laurence is hoping to recover some of his lost funds from Myrtle beach I would hope that the pairings will be such that he might have that opportunity especially since my game has degraded some. Uncle G P Do you need funds for the reservations before or can we pay when we arrive? Also if we pay upon arrival can we pay with plastic or check or do they still accept cash? And Thank you for all your efforts in making all the arrangements for this gathering I am so looking forward to visiting with all. Love Dean P.S. Roger I was going to bring my sticks if that is not a problem if so let me know. Also I prefer 1 inch shorter shaft than standard length 45" is standard. If you have already assembled it don't worry about it. Thanks Dean -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://my.binhost.com/pipermail/owen/attachments/20040709/6800ec3d/attachment.htm From JCassels at picsoft.com Fri Jul 9 14:58:36 2004 From: JCassels at picsoft.com (Jeff Cassels) Date: Thu Mar 24 11:51:02 2005 Subject: [owen] Get your W Ketchup Message-ID: <4D1C3F132207AF4BA521B4E90E97ABF5046139@mailhost.picsoft.com> http://www.wketchup.com/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://my.binhost.com/pipermail/owen/attachments/20040710/4528bee6/attachment.htm From jowen at greenhills.net Sat Jul 10 10:57:01 2004 From: jowen at greenhills.net (Jack) Date: Thu Mar 24 11:51:02 2005 Subject: [owen] real love Message-ID: <200407101341.i6ADf57Y001508@ghlin4.greenhills.net> Good Saturday morning to all of you: This news item was on our local news yesterday morning on the radio.The night before there was a terrible thunder storm with terrific winds went through a camp cite at a small lake 50 or 60 miles N.W. of us. A man ,wife, and two small girls were in their tent when a large tree came down across their tent vehicle and all. The girls were injured badly.The emergency vehicles had trouble getting there because of down trees. They loaded all of family in ambulance and went to hospital in Trenton, Mo. The parents were unhurt. The girls were given emergency treatments and life flighted to childrens mercy hospital in Kansas City. The parents were stranded in trenton,with no way to go.The emergency room R N handed them keys to her car, gave them credit card and pin number, and told them to get to Kansas City to be with the girls. I call that real love for your fellow man strangers or friends. Love you all Jack From gmb42 at yahoo.com Sat Jul 10 09:43:33 2004 From: gmb42 at yahoo.com (Nathaniel Owen) Date: Thu Mar 24 11:51:02 2005 Subject: [owen] golf Message-ID: <20040710134333.47554.qmail@web40701.mail.yahoo.com> All this golf talk has got me wondering where my trophy for the winner of the first annual owen invitation was? I run up to the mail man everyday expecting a big box marked "Owen Invitation Awesomeness Trophy!". Please tell me when to expect this trophy as I will be waiting not so patiently for it... Nate --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://my.binhost.com/pipermail/owen/attachments/20040710/383d4d52/attachment.htm From gmb42 at yahoo.com Sat Jul 10 09:53:38 2004 From: gmb42 at yahoo.com (Nathaniel Owen) Date: Thu Mar 24 11:51:02 2005 Subject: [owen] Fair Weather Fan In-Reply-To: <805AC326445AED4B907F72E6CDB5D763430F43@tnetexchange.corp.wcvt.com> Message-ID: <20040710135338.90606.qmail@web40710.mail.yahoo.com> Ok, so I thought I would give this subject some thought and some advisement and I have to say that if you go to the Yankees than you can just stay there. Don't think about ever coming back. Please take your red sox hats and give them to mom. She has faith in the Sox as do I. Nomar will be fine and will return to the glory he once had because he is a Ramblin Wreck and we all know that means they are winners! So, you go to your Yankees, good riddens. You aren't a true fan anyways!! Nate "Owen, Dan" wrote: Nicole, The Sox desperately need a couple more decent starting pitchers. They have better infielders than Nomar and his hitting has been suspect since his return form injury. He is not happy at Boston and is valuable trade material. I say trade Nomar for um, lets see, how about Randy Johnson, yeah that works for me. By the way the Sox trounced Oakland last night 11-0. Wakefield finally got into the seventh inning without being shelled. Dan O................. -----Original Message----- From: owen-bounces@owenconnections.com [mailto:owen-bounces@owenconnections.com]On Behalf Of Nicole Bourland Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 5:40 PM To: owen@owenconnections.com Subject: RE: [owen] Fair Weather Fan DAN! NO!!!! Ya'll don't need to trade Nomar! He's one of the best things on that team and the coaching isn't giving a chance to turn himself around. Why he wasn't put in to pinch hit in that 13 inning game, I'll never know. But he should have been!!! Boston's now 8 games back....they're done! :) My boys, The Bombers, are going all the way!!!! See, now sports is fun to talk and argue about. I can participate in that! Nicole "Owen, Dan" wrote: Nicole, Schilling is the only pitcher the Red Sox have that's worth a darn right now. If the Sox don't turn things around soon I doubt they will have a wild card chance. Time to trade Nomar. Dan O............ -----Original Message----- From: owen-bounces@owenconnections.com [mailto:owen-bounces@owenconnections.com]On Behalf Of Nicole Bourland Sent: Monday, July 05, 2004 7:10 PM To: owen@owenconnections.com Subject: Re: [owen] Fair Weather Fan Dan I was at the 13 inning Yankees vs. Boston game in NY last Thursday. You better get that NY hat on and ready to wear! Man it was so awesome!!!! GO YANKEES :) Nicole "Owen, Dan" wrote: Nate, After the Sox dropped another game to the Yankees last night due to errors in the field I am considering dusting off the Yankees hat. This would be the first time I have switched hats prior to the All Star break. Do you think the Sox can make a come back or not? I will keep the Yankees hat on the shelf until I hear back from you. Love you all Dan O............... _______________________________________________ Owen mailing list Owen@owenconnections.com https://my.binhost.com/lists/listinfo/owen Full archives at: http://archives.binhost.com/~owen _______________________________________________ Owen mailing list Owen@owenconnections.com https://my.binhost.com/lists/listinfo/owen Full archives at: http://archives.binhost.com/~owen _______________________________________________ Owen mailing list Owen@owenconnections.com https://my.binhost.com/lists/listinfo/owen Full archives at: http://archives.binhost.com/~owen --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://my.binhost.com/pipermail/owen/attachments/20040710/085369ea/attachment.htm From rowen1 at triad.rr.com Sat Jul 10 14:08:48 2004 From: rowen1 at triad.rr.com (Roger Owen) Date: Thu Mar 24 11:51:02 2005 Subject: [owen] golf References: <20040710134333.47554.qmail@web40701.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001f01c466a8$f2d8cd50$6401a8c0@RogerOwen> It was sent back from the Post Office marker "Return to Sender". I didn't know if you sent it back or if you were just a big Elvis fan! Roger ----- Original Message ----- From: Nathaniel Owen To: owen@owenconnections.com Sent: Saturday, July 10, 2004 9:43 AM Subject: [owen] golf All this golf talk has got me wondering where my trophy for the winner of the first annual owen invitation was? I run up to the mail man everyday expecting a big box marked "Owen Invitation Awesomeness Trophy!". Please tell me when to expect this trophy as I will be waiting not so patiently for it... Nate ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Owen mailing list Owen@owenconnections.com https://my.binhost.com/lists/listinfo/owen Full archives at: http://archives.binhost.com/~owen -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://my.binhost.com/pipermail/owen/attachments/20040710/71fc88ff/attachment.htm From june at binhost.com Sat Jul 10 14:34:37 2004 From: june at binhost.com (June Newman) Date: Thu Mar 24 11:51:02 2005 Subject: [owen] Reunion Information In-Reply-To: <001101c46555$af4b26e0$dfda5a42@DH61ZN21> References: <001101c46555$af4b26e0$dfda5a42@DH61ZN21> Message-ID: Add me to the list. June On Jul 8, 2004, at 8:39 PM, G P Owen wrote: > The latest figures for reservations for the reunion by branch:? > Jewell-2, Jack-4, Anna Jo-1,Warren-4,Gwynne-2,G P-5,John > David-3,Bobby-10,Lawrence-6,Homer-8? For a total of 45.? I must have a > count no later than Aug 10 to give the camp on the morning of Aug 11.? > Jean and I went to Tyler on Tuesday morning to get answers to > questions that?some people were asking. > ??? * There is only one type of reservation -- full participation $83 > per adult over 5 years,? $41.50 for children 3-5 years of age and free > for children 0-2 years. > ??? * The only exception is $5 for the Saturday night cook out only. > ??? * The lodge has sleeping arrangements in dorm style with a male > bathroom on one side, a female bathroom (with doors on the stalls and > curtains on the showers) on the other side and people will be free to > choose a bed wherever they want it.? You need to bring twin bed linens > including pillows and towels. > ??? * Be sure to bring your bathing suit if you plan to go swimming.? > They have life jackets for everyone but recommended bringing the > younger one's own life jacket if they have one.? There will be a > lifeguard on duty Saturday afternoon. > ??? *In additon to your personal items, please bring snacks for the > spread in the meeting room, folding lawn chairs for your convenience > while attending outside activities such as watching your young uns > swimming, riding horses, playing horse shoes, volley-ball, using the > rope climbs, etc. > ??? * Jean and I rented a 4 seat golf cart that will be available for > taking people to dining room swimming pool or wherever they want to > go.? > ??? * When you arrive at Rockin C follow signs around to the camp.? > Park in the area identified as parking.? There will be 4 wheel wagons > available for carrying your luggage to the lodge which can be pulled > up the?ramp to the meeting room.? There will be a short flight of > stairs up to the sleeping rooms. (The golf cart will be available for > transporting luggage?& people)? > ??? * We? will have a release form for all parents to sign for their > children at the time of registration. > ??? * Please provide me with the age of all children that will be > taking part in the activities such as horse back riding, rope climbing > etc.? Rockin C? need this to provide supervisors, ponies, horses > appropriate for age groups.? Remember all of the activities are > included in your fee. > ??? *? The camp will be cleaned and available for us to check in at 3 > PM.? Supper will be served at 7:30 that evening. > ??? *? Roger, please provide me with a count of golfers for Saturday > morning and the time that they want their breakfast.. Rockin C will > provide your breakfast and a sack lunch to take with you.? Again this > is included in your fee. > ??? *? We will have a few cold drinks and water iced down when you > arrive.? If you want to bring a cooler for drinks, the camp will > provide ice for them > R E M E M B E R???? I???? N E E D???? R E S E R V A T I O N S?????? > Looking forward to a great time.?? Love, G P & Jean > _______________________________________________ > Owen mailing list > Owen@owenconnections.com > https://my.binhost.com/lists/listinfo/owen > Full archives at: http://archives.binhost.com/~owen From howen at netvision.net.il Sat Jul 10 16:20:15 2004 From: howen at netvision.net.il (Homer Owen) Date: Thu Mar 24 11:51:02 2005 Subject: [owen] moore In-Reply-To: <000d01c46690$c8b2c7a0$9989fea9@oemcomputer> Message-ID: on 7/10/04 6:15 PM, lawrence at klowen@hsnp.com wrote: Is it fine for Kerry to make millions but not folks who want to help build a better Iraq. I stand amazed at how biased we can be sometimes. Love, Homer > My favorite part of FARENHEIT 9/11 was the get together > in the fancy hotel of the businessmen who told each other > how they could make millions in Iraq. Why did we invade > Iraq? To open up business opportunities. Money. > Money makes the world go round. > A fine and balanced film. > Cheers -- Lawrence > > _______________________________________________ > Owen mailing list > Owen@owenconnections.com > https://my.binhost.com/lists/listinfo/owen > Full archives at: http://archives.binhost.com/~owen > From jd.cassels at verizon.net Sat Jul 10 18:35:52 2004 From: jd.cassels at verizon.net (Jeff Cassels) Date: Thu Mar 24 11:51:02 2005 Subject: [owen] moore In-Reply-To: <000d01c46690$c8b2c7a0$9989fea9@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <20040710223553.EQIH6671.out003.verizon.net@Cassels> balanced? _____ From: owen-bounces@owenconnections.com [mailto:owen-bounces@owenconnections.com] On Behalf Of lawrence Sent: Saturday, July 10, 2004 10:16 AM To: owen@owenconnections.com Subject: [owen] moore My favorite part of FARENHEIT 9/11 was the get together in the fancy hotel of the businessmen who told each other how they could make millions in Iraq. Why did we invade Iraq? To open up business opportunities. Money. Money makes the world go round. A fine and balanced film. Cheers -- Lawrence -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://my.binhost.com/pipermail/owen/attachments/20040710/57711c2c/attachment.htm From klowen at hsnp.com Sun Jul 11 10:08:58 2004 From: klowen at hsnp.com (lawrence) Date: Thu Mar 24 11:51:02 2005 Subject: [owen] amazement Message-ID: <000f01c46750$9c8939a0$9989fea9@oemcomputer> Homer -- You stand amazed at "how biased we can be." I sit amazed at how you respond to my remarks about a movie by suggesting that John Kerry made millions by profiteering on the war in Iraq. I am biased against war profiteers. And please tell me how the twelve to fifteen thousand Iraqis killed by Americans will have their lives improved by companies going in there to make money by rebuilding what we destroyed. Cheers -- Lawrence -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://my.binhost.com/pipermail/owen/attachments/20040711/4cb393e0/attachment.htm From howen at netvision.net.il Sun Jul 11 10:57:57 2004 From: howen at netvision.net.il (Homer Owen) Date: Thu Mar 24 11:51:02 2005 Subject: [owen] amazement In-Reply-To: <000f01c46750$9c8939a0$9989fea9@oemcomputer> Message-ID: on 7/11/04 5:08 PM, lawrence at klowen@hsnp.com wrote: Lawrence --- I did not suggest that John Kerry made millions by profiteering on the war in Iraq. In fact I never considered this until you mentioned it. I bet that he hasn't been hurt by selling Heinz foods to the military that is being eaten in Iraq. I said that I am amazed at how biased we can be when it comes to making money. It seems to be fine for some folks to make money and yet it isn't fine for ohters. War is terrible and I am sorry that it took thousands of lives to free 25 million but when you look at what Saddam did over 35 years the few thousand that were killed in liberating this nation we have to ask the question, is freedom worth it. I would have to say yes. Was our war of independence worth it? Would you have said it would be better to stay under the control of England than to lose thousands of lives to give us a free nation? I am thankful that we had men and women that were willing to pay with their lives to give us our great nation. Love, Homer > Homer -- > You stand amazed at "how biased we can be." > I sit amazed at how you respond to my remarks about a movie > by suggesting that John Kerry made millions by > profiteering on the war in Iraq. > > I am biased against war profiteers. And please tell me how > the twelve to fifteen thousand Iraqis killed by Americans will > have their lives improved by companies going in there to make > money by rebuilding what we destroyed. > > Cheers -- Lawrence > > _______________________________________________ > Owen mailing list > Owen@owenconnections.com > https://my.binhost.com/lists/listinfo/owen > Full archives at: http://archives.binhost.com/~owen > From owengj at ultravision.net Sun Jul 11 15:48:38 2004 From: owengj at ultravision.net (G P Owen) Date: Thu Mar 24 11:51:02 2005 Subject: [owen] Reunion Answers to questions posed Message-ID: <001001c46780$264509b0$1ddf5a42@DH61ZN21> Dean: I will accept cash or checks (made out to G P Owen, Jr) at the time of registration on Friday afternoon. I cannot handle plastic. Dan: August in Texas requires a minimum of clothes. If you want to layer, be sure that the majority of the layers will come off as soon as you arrive at DFW airport. Love G P -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://my.binhost.com/pipermail/owen/attachments/20040711/92a89c42/attachment.htm From jowen at greenhills.net Sun Jul 11 17:32:21 2004 From: jowen at greenhills.net (Jack) Date: Thu Mar 24 11:51:02 2005 Subject: [owen] Fahrenheit 9\11 Message-ID: <200407112016.i6BKGX7Y030182@ghlin4.greenhills.net> Good hot Sunday afternoon: This morning one of Helens nephews came by and visited her a while. He has been a Republican all his life, raised one. He is farmer, construction worker, and dabbles in buying and selling property,town and country. He lives about 5 miles from us,right on the Missouri River bluffs, works in Kansas City, running a trackhoe in highway construction. During the week he stays with one of his daughters in Kansas City. One night last week he went to see Fahrenheit 9\11. The next morning Kelly had picked Edwards as his running mate the day before. The workers were standing around before the clock started visitring. They had nearly all seen the Moore production and were discussing it. Their favorite part with the exception of a few die hard Republicans, was the business men sitting around the table discussing the profits they would make in Iraq.Helens nephew's name is Dan. He said he would not vote for G W bush again, and he was contributing to The Kerry Edwards campaign.He is a Vietnam veteran , and he says we had no business being in Iraq now. By the way his Father was at our place the 4th of July and he is voting Democrat this time. L:ove you all Jack From nikkib21 at sbcglobal.net Sun Jul 11 18:03:41 2004 From: nikkib21 at sbcglobal.net (Nicole Bourland) Date: Thu Mar 24 11:51:02 2005 Subject: [owen] Fahrenheit 9\11 In-Reply-To: <200407112016.i6BKGX7Y030182@ghlin4.greenhills.net> Message-ID: <20040711220341.24787.qmail@web81206.mail.yahoo.com> And everything that comes out of hollywood is ALL truthful!!! Yea right! Hollywood should stay out of politics. Nicole Jack wrote: Good hot Sunday afternoon: This morning one of Helens nephews came by and visited her a while. He has been a Republican all his life, raised one. He is farmer, construction worker, and dabbles in buying and selling property,town and country. He lives about 5 miles from us,right on the Missouri River bluffs, works in Kansas City, running a trackhoe in highway construction. During the week he stays with one of his daughters in Kansas City. One night last week he went to see Fahrenheit 9\11. The next morning Kelly had picked Edwards as his running mate the day before. The workers were standing around before the clock started visitring. They had nearly all seen the Moore production and were discussing it. Their favorite part with the exception of a few die hard Republicans, was the business men sitting around the table discussing the profits they would make in Iraq.Helens nephew's name is Dan. He said he would not vote for G W bush again, and he was contributing to The Kerry Edwards campaign.He is a Vietnam veteran , and he says we had no business being in Iraq now. By the way his Father was at our place the 4th of July and he is voting Democrat this time. L:ove you all Jack _______________________________________________ Owen mailing list Owen@owenconnections.com https://my.binhost.com/lists/listinfo/owen Full archives at: http://archives.binhost.com/~owen -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://my.binhost.com/pipermail/owen/attachments/20040711/e9915137/attachment.htm From sowen at telepath.com Sun Jul 11 19:17:33 2004 From: sowen at telepath.com (Susan Owen) Date: Thu Mar 24 11:51:02 2005 Subject: [owen] appropriate layers in Texas Message-ID: <410-2200470112317330@telepath.com> Dan In case I end up sleeping next to you, please, make sure that the layer you sleep in is absorbent. I am peeling the days off my calendar. 33 more to go, then I get to see everyone. Can not wait. Susan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://my.binhost.com/pipermail/owen/attachments/20040711/827b478e/attachment.htm From Dowen at wcvt.com Mon Jul 12 07:12:58 2004 From: Dowen at wcvt.com (Owen, Dan) Date: Thu Mar 24 11:51:02 2005 Subject: [owen] appropriate layers in Texas Message-ID: <805AC326445AED4B907F72E6CDB5D763430F55@tnetexchange.corp.wcvt.com> Susan, My idea of layers comes in the form of a chocolate layer cake. I guess I will leave my polar fleece at home and break out my shorts. Looking forward to seeing everyone and watching folks sweat. Love you all Dan O.................. -----Original Message----- From: owen-bounces@owenconnections.com [mailto:owen-bounces@owenconnections.com]On Behalf Of Susan Owen Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2004 7:18 PM To: owen Subject: [owen] appropriate layers in Texas Dan In case I end up sleeping next to you, please, make sure that the layer you sleep in is absorbent. I am peeling the days off my calendar. 33 more to go, then I get to see everyone. Can not wait. Susan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://my.binhost.com/pipermail/owen/attachments/20040712/df938b42/attachment.htm From klowen at hsnp.com Mon Jul 12 09:36:55 2004 From: klowen at hsnp.com (lawrence) Date: Thu Mar 24 11:51:02 2005 Subject: [owen] dying for freedom Message-ID: <001201c46815$4cd2c5a0$9989fea9@oemcomputer> Homer -- Would you please tell us how the American war for independence from Great Britain resembles the American war against Iraq. Who in Iraq have written the theoretical justifications for their actions that in any way resemble the writings of Thomas Paine, Samuel Adams, and Jefferson? The colonials in the 1770s started their own rebellion against the overseas colonial power. You should be siding with the Iraqi insurgents against the American colonial power. Cheers -- Lawrence -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://my.binhost.com/pipermail/owen/attachments/20040712/4e9785e6/attachment.htm From Dowen at wcvt.com Mon Jul 12 08:30:34 2004 From: Dowen at wcvt.com (Owen, Dan) Date: Thu Mar 24 11:51:03 2005 Subject: [owen] John Sr.'s Rant Message-ID: <805AC326445AED4B907F72E6CDB5D763430F5B@tnetexchange.corp.wcvt.com> All, I found the following opinion piece very interesting, very long but very interesting. Love you all Dan O.......... As a True Patriot I want to share some thoughts on the present world > situation. We have over the years discussed a lot of important things, like going to > college, jobs and so forth. But this really takes precedence over any of those > discussions. I hope this might give you a longer-term perspective that fewer > and fewer of my generation are left to speak to. To > be sure you understand that this is not politically flavored, > I will tell you > that since Franklin D. Roosevelt, who led us through pre and WWII (1933 - > 1945) up to and including our present President, > I have without exception, > supported our presidents on all matters of international conflict. This would > include just naming a few in addition to President Roosevelt - WWII: > President Truman - Korean War 1950; President Kennedy - Bay of Pigs (1961); President > Kennedy - Vietnam (1961); [1] eight presidents (5 Republican & 4 Democrat) > during the cold war (1945 - 1991); President Clinton's strikes on Bosnia (1995) > and on Iraq (1998). [2] So be sure you read this as completely non-political > or otherwise you will miss the point. > > Our country is now facing the most serious threat to its existence, as we > know it, that we have faced in your lifetime and mine (which includes WII). > > The deadly seriousness is greatly compounded by the fact that there are very > few of us who think we can possibly lose this war and even fewer who realize > what losing really means. > > First, let's examine a few basics: > > 1. When did the threat to us start? > Many will say September 11th, 2001. The answer as far as the United States is > concerned is 1979, 22 years prior to September 2001, with the following > attacks on us: Iran Embassy Hostages, 1979; Beirut, Lebanon Embassy 1983; Beirut, > Lebanon Marine Barracks 1983; Lockerbie, Scotland Pan-Am flight to New York > 1988; First New York World Trade Center attack 1993; Dhahran, Saudi Arabia Khobar > Towers Military complex 1996; Nairobi, Kenya US Embassy 1998; Dar es Salaam, > Tanzania US Embassy 1998; Aden, Yemen USS Cole 2000; New York World Trade > Center 2001; Pentagon 2001. (Note that during the period from 1981 to 2001 there > were 7,581 terrorist attacks worldwide). [3] > > 2. Why were we attacked? > Envy of our position, our success, and our freedoms. The attacks happened > during the administrations of Presidents Carter, Reagan, Bush 1, Clinton and > Bush 2. We cannot fault either the Republicans or Democrats as there were no > provocations by any of the presidents or their immediate predecessors, Presidents > Ford or Carter. * We can ask what did the President in office at that time > do about the attacks and in the case of Democrats we honestly must answer: > Nothing to honestly stop or prevent further attacks. > > 3. Who were the attackers? > In each case, the attacks on the US were carried out by Muslims. > > 4. What is the Muslim population of the World? 25% > > 5. Isn't the Muslim Religion peaceful? > Hopefully, but that is really not material. There is no doubt that the > predominately Christian population of Germany was peaceful, but under the > dictatorial leadership of Hitler (who was also Christian), that made no > difference. You either went along with the administration or you were eliminated. > There were 5 to 6 million Christians killed by the Nazis for political > reasons > (including 7,000 Polish priests). > (http://www.nazis.testimony.co.uk/7-a.htm). Thus, almost the same number of Christians were killed by the Nazis, as > the 6 million holocaust Jews who were killed by them, and we seldom heard of > anything other than the Jewish atrocities. Although Hitler kept the world focused > on the Jews, he had no hesitancy about killing anyone who got in his way of > exterminating the Jews or of taking over the world - German, Christian or any > others. > Same with the Muslim terrorists. They focus the world on the US, but kill all > in the way - their own people or the Spanish, French or anyone else.. [5] The > point here is that just like the peaceful Germans were of no protection to > anyone from the Nazis, no matter how many peaceful Muslims there may be, they > are no protection for us from the terrorist Muslim leaders and what they are > fanatically bent on doing - by their own pronouncements - killing all of us > infidels. (That's us!) > > If the silent Muslims who are good would speak up, it just might make a > difference. In fact, I believe it would. > > 6. So who are we at war with? > There is no way we can honestly respond that it is anyone other than the > Muslim terrorists. Trying to be politically correct and avoid verbalizing this > conclusion can well be fatal. There is no way to win if you don't clearly > recognize and articulate who you are fighting. > > So with that background, now to the two major questions: > 1. Can we lose this war? > 2. What does losing really mean? > > If we are to win, we must clearly answer these two pivotal questions. > > We can definitely lose this war, and as anomalous as it may sound, the major > reason we can lose is that so many of us simply do not fathom the answer to > the second question - What does losing mean? It would appear that a great many > of us think that losing the war means hanging our heads, bringing the troops > home and going on about our business, like post Vietnam. This is as far from the > truth as one can get. What losing really means is: > We would no longer be the premier country in the world. The attacks will not > subside, but rather will steadily increase. Remember that they want us dead, > not just quiet. If they had just wanted us quiet, they would not have produced > an increasing series of attacks against us over the past 18 years. The plan > was clearly to terrorist attack us until we were neutered and submissive to them. > > We would of course have no future support from other nations for fear of > reprisals and for the reason that they would see we are impotent and cannot help > them. > > They will pick off the other non-Muslim nations, one at a time. It will be > increasingly easier for them. They already hold Spain hostage. It doesn't > matter whether it was right or wrong for Spain to withdraw its troops from > Iraq. Spain did it because the Muslim terrorists bombed their train and told > them to withdraw the troops. Anything else they want Spain to do, will be done. > Spain is finished. They are no longer Spain. They are under terrorist > control. The need to create a new flag, and learn Arabic. You think I boycott > France? I boycott all of what was formerly known as Spain too. > > The next will probably be France. In fact, France has millions of Arabs. Our > one hope on France is that they might see the light and realize that if we > don't win, they are finished too, in that they can't resist the Muslim terrorists > without us. However, it may already > be too late for France. France is already 20% Muslim and fading fast. See > the attached article on the French condition by Tom Segel. [6] After France, > Canada. > > If we lose the war, our production, income, exports and way of life will all > vanish, as we know it. After losing, who would trade or deal with us if they > were threatened by the Muslims. If we can't stop the Muslims, how could anyone > else? The Muslims fully know what is riding on this war and therefore are > completely committed to winning at any cost. We better know it too and be likewise > committed to winning at any cost. > > Why do I go on at such lengths about the results of losing? Simple. Until we > recognize the costs of losing, we cannot unite and really put 100% of our > thoughts and efforts into winning. And it is going to take that 100% effort to > win. > > So, how can we lose the war? > Again, the answer is simple. We can lose the war by imploding. That is, > defeating ourselves by refusing to recognize the enemy and their purpose and really > digging in and lending full support to the war effort. If we are united, > there is no way that we can lose. If we continue to be divided, there is no way > that we can win. > > Let me give you a few examples of how we simply don't comprehend the life and > death seriousness of this situation. > > President Bush selects Norman Mineta as Secretary of Transportation. > Although all of the terrorist attacks were committed by Muslim men between 17 > and 40 years of age, Secretary Mineta refuses to allow profiling. Does that > sound like we are taking this thing seriously? > > This is war. For the duration we are going to have to give up some of the > civil rights we have become accustomed to. We had better be prepared to lose some > of our civil rights temporarily or we will most certainly lose all of them > permanently. And don't worry that it is a slippery slope. We gave up plenty of > civil rights during WWII and immediately restored them after the victory and in > fact added many more since then. Do I blame President Bush or President > Clinton before him? No, I blame us for blithely assuming we can maintain all of our > Political Correctness and all of our civil rights during this conflict and > have a clean, lawful, honorable war. None of those words apply to war. Get them > out of your head. > > Some have gone so far in their criticism of the war and/or the Administration > that it almost seems they would literally like to see us lose. I hasten to > add that this isn't because they are disloyal. It is because they just don't > recognize what losing means. Nevertheless, that conduct gives the impression to > the enemy that we are divided and weakening, it concerns our friends, and it > does great damage to our cause. > > Of more recent vintage, the uproar fueled by the politicians and media > regarding the treatment of some prisoners of war perhaps exemplifies best what I am > saying. We have recently had an issue involving the treatment of a few Muslim > prisoners of war by a small group of our military police. These are the type > prisoners who just a few months ago were throwing their own people off > buildings, cutting off their hands, cutting out their tongues and otherwise murdering > their own people just for disagreeing with Saddam Hussein. And just a few > years ago these same type prisoners chemically > killed 400,000 of their own people for the same reason. They are also the > same type enemy fighters who recently were burning Americans and dragging > their charred corpses through the streets of Iraq. And still more recently the > same type enemy that was and is providing videos to all news sources > internationally, of the beheading of an American prisoner they held. Compare this with > some of our press and politicians who for several days have thought and talked > about nothing else but the "humiliating" of some Muslim prisoners - not burning > them, not dragging their charred corpses through the streets, not beheading > them, but "humiliating" them. Can this be for real? The politicians and > pundits have even talked of impeachment of the Secretary of Defense. If this doesn't > show the complete lack of comprehension and understanding of the seriousness > of the enemy we are fighting, the life and death struggle we are in and the > disastrous results of losing this war, nothing can. To bring our country to a > virtual political standstill over this prisoner issue makes us look like Nero > playing his fiddle, as Rome burned - totally oblivious to what is going on in > the real world. > Neither any other country, nor we can survive this internal strife. Again I > say, this does not mean that some of our politicians or media people are > disloyal. It simply means that they absolutely oblivious to the magnitude of the > situation we are in and into which the Muslim terrorists have been pushing us for > many years. Remember, the Muslim terrorists stated goal is to kill all > infidels. That translates into all non-Muslims - not just in the United States, but > throughout the world. We are the last bastion of defense. > > We have been criticized for many years as being 'arrogant'. That charge is > valid in at least one respect. We are arrogant in that we believe that we are so > good, powerful and smart, that we can win the hearts and minds of all those > who attack us, and that with both hands tied behind our back, we can defeat > anything bad in the world. We can't. If we don't recognize this, our nation as we > know it will not survive, and no other free country in the World will survive > if we are defeated. And finally, name any Muslim countries > throughout the world that allow freedom of speech, freedom of thought, > freedom of religion, freedom of the Press, equal rights for anyone - let alone > everyone, equal status or any status for women, or that have been productive in one > single way that contributes to the good of the World. > > This has been a long way of saying that we must be united on this war or we > will be equated in the history books to the self-inflicted fall of the Roman > Empire. If, that is, the Muslim leaders will allow history books to be written > or read. > > If we don't win this war right now, keep a close eye on how the Muslims take > over France in the next 5 years or less. They will continue to increase the > Muslim population of France and continue to encroach little by little on the > established French traditions. The French will be fighting among themselves over > what should or should not be done, which will continue to weaken them and keep > them from any united resolve. Doesn't that sound eerily familiar? > > Democracies don't have their freedoms taken away from them by some external > military force. Instead, they give their freedoms away, politically correct > piece by politically correct piece. And they are giving those freedoms away to > those who have shown, worldwide, that they abhor freedom and will not apply it > to you or even to themselves, once they are in power. They have universally > shown that when they have taken over, they then start brutally killing each other > over who will be the few who control the masses. Will we ever stop hearing > from the politically correct, about the "peaceful Muslims"? > > I close on a hopeful note, by repeating what I said above. > If we are united, there is no way that we can lose. > I believe that after the election, the factions in our country will begin to > focus on the critical situation we are in and will unite to save our country. > It is your future we are talking about. > Do whatever you can to preserve it. > > Love, > > A True Patriot > > [1] By the way on Vietnam, the emotions are still so high that it is really > not possible to discuss it. However, I think President Kennedy was correct. > He felt there was a communist threat from China, Russia and North Vietnam to > take over that whole area. Also remember that we were in a 'cold war' with > Russia. I frankly think Kennedy's plan worked and kept that total communist > control out, but try telling that to anyone now. It just isn't politically correct > to say so. Historians will answer this after cool headed research, when the > people closest to it are all gone. > > [2] As you know, I am an American supporter and will vote. If Senator Kerry > is elected, I will fully support him on all matters of international conflict, > just as I have supported all presidents in the past. (I will also work to get > him sentenced to death as a terrorist if he (legally of course) should > attempt to make us go UNDER UN control or turn America into the last nation of the > New Order) > > > [3] Source for statistics in Par. 1 is > http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0001454.html > > [4] The Institute of Islamic Information and Education. > http://www.iiie.net/Intl/PopStats.html > > [5] Note the attached article by Tom Segel referred to in footnote 6 infra, > the terrorist Muslim have already begun the havoc in France. (taken out as > too long) > > [6] I checked this article with two sources - Hoax Busters and Urban Myths. > It does not come up as a Hoax on either. I also then E-mailed Mr. Segel and > he confirmed the article was his. > > [7] "I don't think the Army or any branch of service runs any type of war any > more. It's done by senators and congressmen. There are too many civilians > involved." Returning Iraq veteran, Sgt. 1st Class Greg Klees as quoted in the > Cedar Rapids, IA Gazette on May 13th, 2004. > > [8] There are 64 Muslim countries. This does not count countries like Spain > that are controlled by the Muslim terrorists. > John Sr. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 11164 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://my.binhost.com/pipermail/owen/attachments/20040712/75b71685/attachment.bin From Dowen at wcvt.com Mon Jul 12 09:22:16 2004 From: Dowen at wcvt.com (Owen, Dan) Date: Thu Mar 24 11:51:03 2005 Subject: [owen] FW: Democrat Bumper Stickers Message-ID: <805AC326445AED4B907F72E6CDB5D763430F5D@tnetexchange.corp.wcvt.com> DEMOCRATIC BUMPER STICKERS ***************************************************************** PeoplePC Online A better way to Internet http://www.peoplepc.com Thanks, and enjoy your day! ~Hannah Boucher Miss Maricopa County 2004 _____ Do you Yahoo!? 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Homer > Homer -- > Would you please tell us how the American war for independence from > Great Britain resembles the American war against Iraq. Who in Iraq have > written the theoretical justifications for their actions that in any way > resemble the writings of Thomas Paine, Samuel Adams, and Jefferson? > The colonials in the 1770s started their own rebellion against the overseas > colonial power. You should be siding with the Iraqi insurgents against the > American colonial power. > > Cheers -- Lawrence > > _______________________________________________ > Owen mailing list > Owen@owenconnections.com > https://my.binhost.com/lists/listinfo/owen > Full archives at: http://archives.binhost.com/~owen > From gmb42 at yahoo.com Mon Jul 12 15:52:37 2004 From: gmb42 at yahoo.com (Nathaniel Owen) Date: Thu Mar 24 11:51:03 2005 Subject: [owen] appropriate layers in Texas In-Reply-To: <805AC326445AED4B907F72E6CDB5D763430F55@tnetexchange.corp.wcvt.com> Message-ID: <20040712195237.37175.qmail@web40713.mail.yahoo.com> Everyone please make sure they have their sunglasses ready for when my father puts his shorts on....the whiteness of his legs will blind all of you!! Nate "Owen, Dan" wrote: Susan, My idea of layers comes in the form of a chocolate layer cake. I guess I will leave my polar fleece at home and break out my shorts. Looking forward to seeing everyone and watching folks sweat. Love you all Dan O.................. -----Original Message----- From: owen-bounces@owenconnections.com [mailto:owen-bounces@owenconnections.com]On Behalf Of Susan Owen Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2004 7:18 PM To: owen Subject: [owen] appropriate layers in Texas Dan In case I end up sleeping next to you, please, make sure that the layer you sleep in is absorbent. I am peeling the days off my calendar. 33 more to go, then I get to see everyone. Can not wait. Susan _______________________________________________ Owen mailing list Owen@owenconnections.com https://my.binhost.com/lists/listinfo/owen Full archives at: http://archives.binhost.com/~owen --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Samuel Johnson, an 18th c English writer, called patriotism "the last refuge of a scoundrel." Lawrence -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://my.binhost.com/pipermail/owen/attachments/20040713/26879e46/attachment.htm From klowen at hsnp.com Tue Jul 13 09:41:03 2004 From: klowen at hsnp.com (lawrence) Date: Thu Mar 24 11:51:03 2005 Subject: [owen] sticking to subject Message-ID: <000d01c468df$0efa58e0$9989fea9@oemcomputer> Homer -- I remarked on a scene in a movie which showed men happy at the prospect of making millions in Iraq -- war profiteering. You responded and brought up the American Revolution. I took your interest in the American Revolution seriously and asked you to show some resemblance between it and the American war against iraq. Just trying to get you to stay on a subject. And it baffles you. Alas. Cheers -- Lawrence -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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You mentioned that Moore's movie was balanced but it sure did not portray John Sr.'s side. Seems to me that both Moore and John Sr. are at the extreme ends of the spectrum and somewhere in the middle is where the truth lies. Dan O............. -----Original Message----- From: owen-bounces@owenconnections.com [mailto:owen-bounces@owenconnections.com]On Behalf Of lawrence Sent: Monday, July 12, 2004 11:35 AM To: owen@owenconnections.com Subject: [owen] john sr Dan -- Who is John Sr., who identifies himself as a true patriot? Samuel Johnson, an 18th c English writer, called patriotism "the last refuge of a scoundrel." Lawrence ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Owen mailing list Owen@owenconnections.com https://my.binhost.com/lists/listinfo/owen Full archives at: http://archives.binhost.com/~owen -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Love you all Dan O............... -----Original Message----- From: owen-bounces@owenconnections.com [mailto:owen-bounces@owenconnections.com]On Behalf Of lawrence Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2004 9:44 AM To: owen@owenconnections.com Subject: Re: [owen] john sr Dan -- I apologize for using irony. The Moore movie is balanced the way Fox News is balanced. I wish you could see the letter in yesterday's paper from a woman who saw the Moore movie and praised it for the respect it shows American soldiers. You can't convince me that Bush respects American soldiers. Lawrence ----- Original Message ----- From: Owen, Dan To: owen@owenconnections.com Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2004 4:37 AM Subject: RE: [owen] john sr Lawrence, I do not know who John Sr. is but decided to share his opinion piece to show how lopsided the Moore movie is. You mentioned that Moore's movie was balanced but it sure did not portray John Sr.'s side. Seems to me that both Moore and John Sr. are at the extreme ends of the spectrum and somewhere in the middle is where the truth lies. Dan O............. -----Original Message----- From: owen-bounces@owenconnections.com [mailto:owen-bounces@owenconnections.com]On Behalf Of lawrence Sent: Monday, July 12, 2004 11:35 AM To: owen@owenconnections.com Subject: [owen] john sr Dan -- Who is John Sr., who identifies himself as a true patriot? Samuel Johnson, an 18th c English writer, called patriotism "the last refuge of a scoundrel." Lawrence _____ _______________________________________________ Owen mailing list Owen@owenconnections.com https://my.binhost.com/lists/listinfo/owen Full archives at: http://archives.binhost.com/~owen -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://my.binhost.com/pipermail/owen/attachments/20040713/14b08f73/attachment.htm From june at binhost.com Tue Jul 13 10:14:12 2004 From: june at binhost.com (June Newman) Date: Thu Mar 24 11:51:03 2005 Subject: [owen] persuasion Message-ID: Moore openly produced a film which he intended to be persuasive. I, like most of you, grew up hearing sermons, meant to be persuasive. Moore/preacher/politician/teacher has an idea he/she thinks others are likely to share if they will consider certain information. The information is presented as factual. The conclusions, what to make of the information, is biased. Some of Moore's supportive material, for example, consists of recordings of Bush's own words. That Bush spoke those words is fact, whether the messenger is Hollywood, or Fox News. Moore is open about his pesuasive agenda. Fox news admits to no such slant. The following item came to my mailbox this morning. It offers information which I could verify if I wanted to, about current and proposed highway/public transit funding. Then the writer expounds on those facts to persuade me that the administration proposal is bad. The writer has an open bias. The fact of bias, alone, does not discredit a piece. What authenticates an attempt to persuade me is simple: good information and logical conclusions. I think Moore's film passes that test. If you don't agree, persuade me with some good information and logical conclusions of your own. June The federal-state funding match for public transit and highway construction is currently 80:20. But under a new proposal from the Bush Administration, states would be required to pay half the cost of public transportation projects. The 80:20 ratio for new highways, however, would stay unchanged. This tilt in the funding match would inevitably push local governments to build more highways at the expense of public transit. The Sierra Club report, Missing the Train, details why supporting public transportation makes so much more sense. First of all, building public transportation creates more jobs than highway construction. A study this year by the Surface Transportation Policy Project found that for every $1.25 billion spent on new public transportation projects, nearly 51,300 people are employed. By contrast, only 43,200 are employed per every $1.25 billion spent on new roads and bridges. [1] That's an important reason why labor leaders around the country now support public transportation. Public transit boosts local economies as well. The Sierra Club report cites examples from around the country -- including Washington, D.C., Dallas/Ft. Worth, St. Louis, and Tampa Bay -- where public transportation projects have revitalized neighborhoods and invigorated business districts. In many areas, business and labor leaders have teamed up to push for new projects. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/enriched Size: 2943 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://my.binhost.com/pipermail/owen/attachments/20040713/05de1cbb/attachment.bin From Dowen at wcvt.com Tue Jul 13 10:41:34 2004 From: Dowen at wcvt.com (Owen, Dan) Date: Thu Mar 24 11:51:03 2005 Subject: [owen] persuasion Message-ID: <805AC326445AED4B907F72E6CDB5D763430F66@tnetexchange.corp.wcvt.com> June, Moore's film is advertised to be a documentary. My dictionary defines a documentary as: "a film or television program presenting factual information without editorial comment" . Seems to me that this film either explicitly or implicitly makes a huge editorial comment. If the film was advertised as Moore's opinion piece or a celluloid letter to the editor I would be less troubled. Rather it is presented as a documentary. In my opinion Moore's movie is extremely biased and is a thinly veiled attempt to achieve a certain outcome during a Presidential election year. You mention "good information" as your litmus test for persuasion. Does you definition of "good information" include both sides of an issue or only the side you are predisposed towards? Please do not take my question as a slam, just seems to me that folks predisposed to vote Democratic commend Moore's work and Republican leaning folk dismiss it. Love you all Dan O..................... -----Original Message----- From: owen-bounces@owenconnections.com [mailto:owen-bounces@owenconnections.com]On Behalf Of June Newman Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2004 10:14 AM To: owen@owenconnections.com Subject: [owen] persuasion Moore openly produced a film which he intended to be persuasive. I, like most of you, grew up hearing sermons, meant to be persuasive. Moore/preacher/politician/teacher has an idea he/she thinks others are likely to share if they will consider certain information. The information is presented as factual. The conclusions, what to make of the information, is biased. Some of Moore's supportive material, for example, consists of recordings of Bush's own words. That Bush spoke those words is fact, whether the messenger is Hollywood, or Fox News. Moore is open about his pesuasive agenda. Fox news admits to no such slant. The following item came to my mailbox this morning. It offers information which I could verify if I wanted to, about current and proposed highway/public transit funding. Then the writer expounds on those facts to persuade me that the administration proposal is bad. The writer has an open bias. The fact of bias, alone, does not discredit a piece. What authenticates an attempt to persuade me is simple: good information and logical conclusions. I think Moore's film passes that test. If you don't agree, persuade me with some good information and logical conclusions of your own. June The federal-state funding match for public transit and highway construction is currently 80:20. But under a new proposal from the Bush Administration, states would be required to pay half the cost of public transportation projects. The 80:20 ratio for new highways, however, would stay unchanged. This tilt in the funding match would inevitably push local governments to build more highways at the expense of public transit. The Sierra Club report, Missing the Train, details why supporting public transportation makes so much more sense. First of all, building public transportation creates more jobs than highway construction. A study this year by the Surface Transportation Policy Project found that for every $1.25 billion spent on new public transportation projects, nearly 51,300 people are employed. By contrast, only 43,200 are employed per every $1.25 billion spent on new roads and bridges. [1] That's an important reason why labor leaders around the country now support public transportation. Public transit boosts local economies as well. The Sierra Club report cites examples from around the country -- including Washington, D.C., Dallas/Ft. Worth, St. Louis, and Tampa Bay -- where public transportation projects have revitalized neighborhoods and invigorated business districts. In many areas, business and labor leaders have teamed up to push for new projects. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://my.binhost.com/pipermail/owen/attachments/20040713/9c7b8f33/attachment.htm From june at binhost.com Tue Jul 13 12:27:06 2004 From: june at binhost.com (June Newman) Date: Thu Mar 24 11:51:03 2005 Subject: [owen] persuasion In-Reply-To: <805AC326445AED4B907F72E6CDB5D763430F66@tnetexchange.corp.wcvt.com> References: <805AC326445AED4B907F72E6CDB5D763430F66@tnetexchange.corp.wcvt.com> Message-ID: <7B1CA146-D4E9-11D8-BF9D-000A95C48E6C@binhost.com> Dan, I haven't seen ads for the film. So I don't know who uses the term documentary. I did see a discussion by film critic Ebert claiming that all good documentaries have opinion. Here is a discussion of the term that makes it clear there is much disagreement about the issue you raise. http://www.indiewire.com/onthescene/onthescene_040702docs.html Did you feel duped or manipulated when you saw the film, or did you watch it completely aware of Mr. Moore's intent to support his disapproval of the Bush administration? Good information is what can be verified. It can stand any amount of light. It is non-partisan. It does not belong to a "side." Is there material presented as fact by the film, that you believe not to be fact. I'm not talking about anybody's conclusions, just the background information. Getting excited about seeing you next month! June On Jul 13, 2004, at 9:41 AM, Owen, Dan wrote: > June, > Moore's film is advertised to be a documentary.? My dictionary defines > a documentary as: "a film or television program presenting factual > information without editorial comment"?. ?Seems to me that this film > either explicitly or implicitly makes a huge editorial comment.? If > the film was advertised as Moore's opinion piece or?a celluloid letter > to the editor I would be less troubled.? Rather it is presented as a > documentary.? In my?opinion Moore's movie is extremely biased and is a > thinly veiled attempt?to achieve a certain outcome during a > Presidential election year.? You mention "good information" as your > litmus test for persuasion.? Does you definition of "good information" > include both sides of an issue or only the side you are predisposed > towards?? Please do not take my question as a slam, just seems to me > that folks predisposed to vote Democratic commend Moore's work and > Republican leaning folk dismiss it.? > Love you all Dan?O.....................??? > -----Original Message----- > From: owen-bounces@owenconnections.com > [mailto:owen-bounces@owenconnections.com]On Behalf Of June Newman > Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2004 10:14 AM > To: owen@owenconnections.com > Subject: [owen] persuasion > > Moore openly produced a film which he intended to be persuasive. I, > like most of you, grew up hearing sermons, meant to be persuasive. > Moore/preacher/politician/teacher has an idea he/she thinks others are > likely to share if they will consider certain information. The > information is presented as factual. The conclusions, what to make of > the information, is biased. Some of Moore's supportive material, for > example, consists of recordings of Bush's own words. That Bush spoke > those words is fact, whether the messenger is Hollywood, or Fox News. > Moore is open about his pesuasive agenda. Fox news admits to no such > slant. > > > The following item came to my mailbox this morning. It offers > information which I could verify if I wanted to, about current and > proposed highway/public transit funding. Then the writer expounds on > those facts to persuade me that the administration proposal is bad. > The writer has an open bias. The fact of bias, alone, does not > discredit a piece. What authenticates an attempt to persuade me is > simple: good information and logical conclusions. I think Moore's film > passes that test. If you don't agree, persuade me with some good > information and logical conclusions of your own. June > > > The federal-state funding match for public transit and highway > construction is currently 80:20. But under a new proposal from the > Bush Administration, states would be required to pay half the cost of > public transportation projects. The 80:20 ratio for new highways, > however, would stay unchanged. > > > This tilt in the funding match would inevitably push local > governments to build more highways at the expense of public transit. > The Sierra Club report, Missing the Train, details why supporting > public transportation makes so much more sense. > > > First of all, building public transportation creates more jobs than > highway construction. A study this year by the Surface Transportation > Policy Project found that for every $1.25 billion spent on new public > transportation projects, nearly 51,300 people are employed. By > contrast, only 43,200 are employed per every $1.25 billion spent on > new roads and bridges. [1] That's an important reason why labor > leaders around the country now support public transportation. > > > Public transit boosts local economies as well. The Sierra Club report > cites examples from around the country -- including Washington, D.C., > Dallas/Ft. Worth, St. Louis, and Tampa Bay -- where public > transportation projects have revitalized neighborhoods and invigorated > business districts. In many areas, business and labor leaders have > teamed up to push for new projects. > _______________________________________________ > Owen mailing list > Owen@owenconnections.com > https://my.binhost.com/lists/listinfo/owen > Full archives at: http://archives.binhost.com/~owen From Dowen at wcvt.com Tue Jul 13 13:10:00 2004 From: Dowen at wcvt.com (Owen, Dan) Date: Thu Mar 24 11:51:03 2005 Subject: [owen] persuasion Message-ID: <805AC326445AED4B907F72E6CDB5D763430F69@tnetexchange.corp.wcvt.com> June, Christopher Hitchens does a great job of pointing out distortions by Mr. Moore, check out: http://slate.msn.com/id/2102723 His point that Moore is the Rush Limbaugh for the left is keen. Seems to me the left feels Moore is reasoned, serious and fact based where as Limbaugh is an over the top blow hard. I personally feel both Limbaugh and Moore are extremists at opposite ends of the political spectrum that use only facts and snippets that make their respective points. I believe that somewhere in the middle of their positions the truth exists. Bush has made errors (who hasn't) but not to the extreme Moore would have us believe. See you next month, you may not recognize me as I am almost svelte now :) Love you all Dan O................ -----Original Message----- From: owen-bounces@owenconnections.com [mailto:owen-bounces@owenconnections.com]On Behalf Of June Newman Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2004 12:27 PM To: owen@owenconnections.com Subject: Re: [owen] persuasion Dan, I haven't seen ads for the film. So I don't know who uses the term documentary. I did see a discussion by film critic Ebert claiming that all good documentaries have opinion. Here is a discussion of the term that makes it clear there is much disagreement about the issue you raise. http://www.indiewire.com/onthescene/onthescene_040702docs.html Did you feel duped or manipulated when you saw the film, or did you watch it completely aware of Mr. Moore's intent to support his disapproval of the Bush administration? Good information is what can be verified. It can stand any amount of light. It is non-partisan. It does not belong to a "side." Is there material presented as fact by the film, that you believe not to be fact. I'm not talking about anybody's conclusions, just the background information. Getting excited about seeing you next month! June On Jul 13, 2004, at 9:41 AM, Owen, Dan wrote: > June, > Moore's film is advertised to be a documentary.? My dictionary defines > a documentary as: "a film or television program presenting factual > information without editorial comment"?. ?Seems to me that this film > either explicitly or implicitly makes a huge editorial comment.? If > the film was advertised as Moore's opinion piece or?a celluloid letter > to the editor I would be less troubled.? Rather it is presented as a > documentary.? In my?opinion Moore's movie is extremely biased and is a > thinly veiled attempt?to achieve a certain outcome during a > Presidential election year.? You mention "good information" as your > litmus test for persuasion.? Does you definition of "good information" > include both sides of an issue or only the side you are predisposed > towards?? Please do not take my question as a slam, just seems to me > that folks predisposed to vote Democratic commend Moore's work and > Republican leaning folk dismiss it.? > Love you all Dan?O.....................??? > -----Original Message----- > From: owen-bounces@owenconnections.com > [mailto:owen-bounces@owenconnections.com]On Behalf Of June Newman > Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2004 10:14 AM > To: owen@owenconnections.com > Subject: [owen] persuasion > > Moore openly produced a film which he intended to be persuasive. I, > like most of you, grew up hearing sermons, meant to be persuasive. > Moore/preacher/politician/teacher has an idea he/she thinks others are > likely to share if they will consider certain information. The > information is presented as factual. The conclusions, what to make of > the information, is biased. Some of Moore's supportive material, for > example, consists of recordings of Bush's own words. That Bush spoke > those words is fact, whether the messenger is Hollywood, or Fox News. > Moore is open about his pesuasive agenda. Fox news admits to no such > slant. > > > The following item came to my mailbox this morning. It offers > information which I could verify if I wanted to, about current and > proposed highway/public transit funding. Then the writer expounds on > those facts to persuade me that the administration proposal is bad. > The writer has an open bias. The fact of bias, alone, does not > discredit a piece. What authenticates an attempt to persuade me is > simple: good information and logical conclusions. I think Moore's film > passes that test. If you don't agree, persuade me with some good > information and logical conclusions of your own. June > > > The federal-state funding match for public transit and highway > construction is currently 80:20. But under a new proposal from the > Bush Administration, states would be required to pay half the cost of > public transportation projects. The 80:20 ratio for new highways, > however, would stay unchanged. > > > This tilt in the funding match would inevitably push local > governments to build more highways at the expense of public transit. > The Sierra Club report, Missing the Train, details why supporting > public transportation makes so much more sense. > > > First of all, building public transportation creates more jobs than > highway construction. A study this year by the Surface Transportation > Policy Project found that for every $1.25 billion spent on new public > transportation projects, nearly 51,300 people are employed. By > contrast, only 43,200 are employed per every $1.25 billion spent on > new roads and bridges. [1] That's an important reason why labor > leaders around the country now support public transportation. > > > Public transit boosts local economies as well. The Sierra Club report > cites examples from around the country -- including Washington, D.C., > Dallas/Ft. Worth, St. Louis, and Tampa Bay -- where public > transportation projects have revitalized neighborhoods and invigorated > business districts. In many areas, business and labor leaders have > teamed up to push for new projects. > _______________________________________________ > Owen mailing list > Owen@owenconnections.com > https://my.binhost.com/lists/listinfo/owen > Full archives at: http://archives.binhost.com/~owen _______________________________________________ Owen mailing list Owen@owenconnections.com https://my.binhost.com/lists/listinfo/owen Full archives at: http://archives.binhost.com/~owen From howen at netvision.net.il Tue Jul 13 15:16:29 2004 From: howen at netvision.net.il (Homer Owen) Date: Thu Mar 24 11:51:03 2005 Subject: [owen] sticking to subject In-Reply-To: <000d01c468df$0efa58e0$9989fea9@oemcomputer> Message-ID: on 7/13/04 4:41 PM, lawrence at klowen@hsnp.com wrote: I stand baffled. I asked you a simple question. If you had been in America at the beginning of the revolution would you have stood with England and purposed to put up with the regulations or would you have been willing to go for freedom, not knowing if it was going to work or not? Freedom most of the time cost lives. Should France have stayed out of the revolution that we were engaged with in England? Love, Homer > Homer -- > I remarked on a scene in a movie which showed men happy > at the prospect of making millions in Iraq -- war profiteering. > You responded and brought up the American Revolution. > I took your interest in the American Revolution seriously and > asked you to show some resemblance between it and the American > war against iraq. Just trying to get you to stay on a subject. > And it baffles you. Alas. > Cheers -- Lawrence > > > _______________________________________________ > Owen mailing list > Owen@owenconnections.com > https://my.binhost.com/lists/listinfo/owen > Full archives at: http://archives.binhost.com/~owen > From klowen at hsnp.com Tue Jul 13 18:06:14 2004 From: klowen at hsnp.com (lawrence) Date: Thu Mar 24 11:51:03 2005 Subject: [owen] baffled Message-ID: <000c01c46925$9ffbc400$9989fea9@oemcomputer> Homer -- I sit baffled. What does your question have to do with profiteering, as talked about in the Moore movie? What, to you, is the connection between America's war against Iraq, and the American colonialists' rebellion against Britain? What does my opinion about the war of the 1770s and 80s have to do with profiteering in Iraq in 2004 and 3? Cheers - Lawrence -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://my.binhost.com/pipermail/owen/attachments/20040713/4cb15a61/attachment.htm From kmcassels at sbcw-law.com Tue Jul 13 16:31:16 2004 From: kmcassels at sbcw-law.com (Kelly Mack Cassels) Date: Thu Mar 24 11:51:03 2005 Subject: [owen] info needed In-Reply-To: <001501c46926$8316cdc0$9989fea9@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <001d01c46918$5e449120$c793fea9@domain1> Funny, that is the same excuse Liddy and his boys gave when they were found at the Watergate Hotel. Well, you?re in good company anyway. Peace, Kelly -----Original Message----- From: owen-bounces@owenconnections.com [mailto:owen-bounces@owenconnections.com] On Behalf Of lawrence Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2004 4:13 PM To: owen@owenconnections.com Subject: [owen] info needed Jeff and I visited the Garland County Historical Society at lunch. We were engrossed in examining a ledger for the Hot Springs police department for the 1890s. Jeff said, "Are we the only ones here?" Lo and behold, we were. The staff had locked the building for the day, leaving Jeff and me locked in. Phone calls led to Bertie, who came back and released us. The ledger listed all persons arrested by Hot Springs police, and gave info about them, including occupation. One criminal was identified, under Occupation, as "Jumping Jack Man." What is a jumping jack man? Lawrence --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.719 / Virus Database: 475 - Release Date: 7/12/04 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.719 / Virus Database: 475 - Release Date: 7/12/04 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://my.binhost.com/pipermail/owen/attachments/20040713/5ee7cdea/attachment.htm From june at binhost.com Tue Jul 13 17:19:14 2004 From: june at binhost.com (June Newman) Date: Thu Mar 24 11:51:03 2005 Subject: [owen] info needed In-Reply-To: <001501c46926$8316cdc0$9989fea9@oemcomputer> References: <001501c46926$8316cdc0$9989fea9@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <4A4B66DC-D512-11D8-BF9D-000A95C48E6C@binhost.com> Was he a carver of little wooden jumping jacks? Or, weren't racketeers once known as jumping jacks? What was his crime? On Jul 13, 2004, at 5:12 PM, lawrence wrote: > Jeff and I visited the Garland County Historical > Society at lunch.? We were engrossed in examining > a ledger for the Hot Springs police department for > the 1890s.? Jeff said, "Are we the only ones here?" > ? > Lo and behold, we were.? The staff had locked the building > for the day, leaving Jeff and me locked in.? Phone > calls led to Bertie, who came back and released us.? > ? > The ledger listed all persons arrested by Hot Springs > police, and gave info about them, including occupation. > One criminal was identified, under Occupation, as > "Jumping Jack Man."?? What is a jumping jack man? > ? > Lawrence > _______________________________________________ > Owen mailing list > Owen@owenconnections.com > https://my.binhost.com/lists/listinfo/owen > Full archives at: http://archives.binhost.com/~owen From rowen1 at triad.rr.com Tue Jul 13 17:30:30 2004 From: rowen1 at triad.rr.com (Roger Owen) Date: Thu Mar 24 11:51:04 2005 Subject: [owen] appropriate layers in Texas References: <20040712195237.37175.qmail@web40713.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <004601c46920$9f6a99d0$6401a8c0@RogerOwen> I notice that you have not signed up for the Owen Texas Open. You chicken or something? Roger ----- Original Message ----- From: Nathaniel Owen To: owen@owenconnections.com Sent: Monday, July 12, 2004 3:52 PM Subject: RE: [owen] appropriate layers in Texas Everyone please make sure they have their sunglasses ready for when my father puts his shorts on....the whiteness of his legs will blind all of you!! Nate "Owen, Dan" wrote: Susan, My idea of layers comes in the form of a chocolate layer cake. I guess I will leave my polar fleece at home and break out my shorts. Looking forward to seeing everyone and watching folks sweat. Love you all Dan O.................. -----Original Message----- From: owen-bounces@owenconnections.com [mailto:owen-bounces@owenconnections.com]On Behalf Of Susan Owen Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2004 7:18 PM To: owen Subject: [owen] appropriate layers in Texas Dan In case I end up sleeping next to you, please, make sure that the layer you sleep in is absorbent. I am peeling the days off my calendar. 33 more to go, then I get to see everyone. Can not wait. 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URL: http://my.binhost.com/pipermail/owen/attachments/20040713/5f7f7170/attachment.htm From gmb42 at yahoo.com Tue Jul 13 19:27:52 2004 From: gmb42 at yahoo.com (Nathaniel Owen) Date: Thu Mar 24 11:51:04 2005 Subject: [owen] appropriate layers in Texas In-Reply-To: <004601c46920$9f6a99d0$6401a8c0@RogerOwen> Message-ID: <20040713232752.5780.qmail@web40712.mail.yahoo.com> I would love to come and play some golf with you guys....but I had committed myself to a friends wedding before I knew the dates of the reunion. Roger Owen wrote:I notice that you have not signed up for the Owen Texas Open. You chicken or something? Roger ----- Original Message ----- From: Nathaniel Owen To: owen@owenconnections.com Sent: Monday, July 12, 2004 3:52 PM Subject: RE: [owen] appropriate layers in Texas Everyone please make sure they have their sunglasses ready for when my father puts his shorts on....the whiteness of his legs will blind all of you!! Nate "Owen, Dan" wrote: Susan, My idea of layers comes in the form of a chocolate layer cake. I guess I will leave my polar fleece at home and break out my shorts. Looking forward to seeing everyone and watching folks sweat. Love you all Dan O.................. -----Original Message----- From: owen-bounces@owenconnections.com [mailto:owen-bounces@owenconnections.com]On Behalf Of Susan Owen Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2004 7:18 PM To: owen Subject: [owen] appropriate layers in Texas Dan In case I end up sleeping next to you, please, make sure that the layer you sleep in is absorbent. I am peeling the days off my calendar. 33 more to go, then I get to see everyone. Can not wait. Susan _______________________________________________ Owen mailing list Owen@owenconnections.com https://my.binhost.com/lists/listinfo/owen Full archives at: http://archives.binhost.com/~owen --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! 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Dan O......... -----Original Message----- From: owen-bounces@owenconnections.com [mailto:owen-bounces@owenconnections.com]On Behalf Of Roger Owen Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2004 5:45 PM To: owen@owenconnections.com Subject: [owen] golf Hey golfers, Trying to get a head count! Steven, are you playing both days? Robert and Mark, are you playing both days---your dad says he can play Friday if the two of you play Friday--let me know. Scott, did I understand that one of your sons is playing with you on Sat? Anybody else?????? Thanks, Roger Owen, CLU, ChFC, CSA Longhorn Financial Advisors, LLC -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://my.binhost.com/pipermail/owen/attachments/20040714/66ba0e37/attachment.htm From howen at netvision.net.il Wed Jul 14 08:05:44 2004 From: howen at netvision.net.il (Homer Owen) Date: Thu Mar 24 11:51:04 2005 Subject: [owen] baffled In-Reply-To: <000c01c46925$9ffbc400$9989fea9@oemcomputer> Message-ID: on 7/14/04 1:06 AM, lawrence at klowen@hsnp.com wrote: It seems that you are trying to sidestep the simple question that I asked. I am simply comparing what men think about war for freedom in different time's. What do yo think? Homer > Homer -- > I sit baffled. What does your question have > to do with profiteering, as talked about > in the Moore movie? What, to you, is the > connection between America's war against > Iraq, and the American colonialists' rebellion > against Britain? What does my opinion about > the war of the 1770s and 80s have to do with > profiteering in Iraq in 2004 and 3? > Cheers - Lawrence > > _______________________________________________ > Owen mailing list > Owen@owenconnections.com > https://my.binhost.com/lists/listinfo/owen > Full archives at: http://archives.binhost.com/~owen > From klowen at hsnp.com Wed Jul 14 10:17:43 2004 From: klowen at hsnp.com (lawrence) Date: Thu Mar 24 11:51:04 2005 Subject: [owen] baffled References: Message-ID: <001b01c469ad$55d508e0$9989fea9@oemcomputer> Homer -- I am not trying to sidestep your question. I think the American rebels started their own rebellion and their thinkers laid out wonderfully clear reasons for rebelling. I think Bush sent his army into Iraq for his reasons, not for Iraqi reasons. Iraqis did not start their own rebellion against the tyrant reigning over them. I think it is disgusting that war profiteers showed up in Iraq like maggots on a dead armadillo. Cheers -- Lawrence ----- Original Message ----- From: Homer Owen To: Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2004 5:05 AM Subject: Re: [owen] baffled > on 7/14/04 1:06 AM, lawrence at klowen@hsnp.com wrote: > > It seems that you are trying to sidestep the simple question that I asked. > I am simply comparing what men think about war for freedom in different > time's. What do yo think? > Homer > > > > > Homer -- > > I sit baffled. What does your question have > > to do with profiteering, as talked about > > in the Moore movie? What, to you, is the > > connection between America's war against > > Iraq, and the American colonialists' rebellion > > against Britain? What does my opinion about > > the war of the 1770s and 80s have to do with > > profiteering in Iraq in 2004 and 3? > > Cheers - Lawrence > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Owen mailing list > > Owen@owenconnections.com > > https://my.binhost.com/lists/listinfo/owen > > Full archives at: http://archives.binhost.com/~owen > > > > _______________________________________________ > Owen mailing list > Owen@owenconnections.com > https://my.binhost.com/lists/listinfo/owen > Full archives at: http://archives.binhost.com/~owen > From kmcassels at sbcw-law.com Wed Jul 14 10:11:48 2004 From: kmcassels at sbcw-law.com (Kelly Mack Cassels) Date: Thu Mar 24 11:51:04 2005 Subject: [owen] Liddy In-Reply-To: <000d01c469a8$473cb6c0$9989fea9@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <001c01c469ac$82996980$c793fea9@domain1> I think that?s what they were doing when they were so rudely interrupted by the police. Tragedy really. Kelly -----Original Message----- From: owen-bounces@owenconnections.com [mailto:owen-bounces@owenconnections.com] On Behalf Of lawrence Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2004 7:41 AM To: owen@owenconnections.com Subject: [owen] Liddy Kelly -- Jeff and I phoned the sheriff and told him we were locked in. Did Liddy and the other fine Republicans who burglarized the Watergate office phone the authorities? Lawrence --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.719 / Virus Database: 475 - Release Date: 7/12/04 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.719 / Virus Database: 475 - Release Date: 7/12/04 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://my.binhost.com/pipermail/owen/attachments/20040714/2bdaddbd/attachment.htm From Dowen at wcvt.com Wed Jul 14 11:09:48 2004 From: Dowen at wcvt.com (Owen, Dan) Date: Thu Mar 24 11:51:04 2005 Subject: [owen] persuasion Message-ID: <805AC326445AED4B907F72E6CDB5D763430F6E@tnetexchange.corp.wcvt.com> June, Driving to work this morning I was listening to an interview with Andrea Mitchell. She is a reporter and wife to Alan Greenspan. She was asked about Moore's film and she indicated that it was not a documentary and was actually propaganda. I think Andrea has it defined about right. Dan O.......... -----Original Message----- From: owen-bounces@owenconnections.com [mailto:owen-bounces@owenconnections.com]On Behalf Of June Newman Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2004 12:27 PM To: owen@owenconnections.com Subject: Re: [owen] persuasion Dan, I haven't seen ads for the film. So I don't know who uses the term documentary. I did see a discussion by film critic Ebert claiming that all good documentaries have opinion. Here is a discussion of the term that makes it clear there is much disagreement about the issue you raise. http://www.indiewire.com/onthescene/onthescene_040702docs.html Did you feel duped or manipulated when you saw the film, or did you watch it completely aware of Mr. Moore's intent to support his disapproval of the Bush administration? Good information is what can be verified. It can stand any amount of light. It is non-partisan. It does not belong to a "side." Is there material presented as fact by the film, that you believe not to be fact. I'm not talking about anybody's conclusions, just the background information. Getting excited about seeing you next month! June On Jul 13, 2004, at 9:41 AM, Owen, Dan wrote: > June, > Moore's film is advertised to be a documentary.? My dictionary defines > a documentary as: "a film or television program presenting factual > information without editorial comment"?. ?Seems to me that this film > either explicitly or implicitly makes a huge editorial comment.? If > the film was advertised as Moore's opinion piece or?a celluloid letter > to the editor I would be less troubled.? Rather it is presented as a > documentary.? In my?opinion Moore's movie is extremely biased and is a > thinly veiled attempt?to achieve a certain outcome during a > Presidential election year.? You mention "good information" as your > litmus test for persuasion.? Does you definition of "good information" > include both sides of an issue or only the side you are predisposed > towards?? Please do not take my question as a slam, just seems to me > that folks predisposed to vote Democratic commend Moore's work and > Republican leaning folk dismiss it.? > Love you all Dan?O.....................??? > -----Original Message----- > From: owen-bounces@owenconnections.com > [mailto:owen-bounces@owenconnections.com]On Behalf Of June Newman > Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2004 10:14 AM > To: owen@owenconnections.com > Subject: [owen] persuasion > > Moore openly produced a film which he intended to be persuasive. I, > like most of you, grew up hearing sermons, meant to be persuasive. > Moore/preacher/politician/teacher has an idea he/she thinks others are > likely to share if they will consider certain information. The > information is presented as factual. The conclusions, what to make of > the information, is biased. Some of Moore's supportive material, for > example, consists of recordings of Bush's own words. That Bush spoke > those words is fact, whether the messenger is Hollywood, or Fox News. > Moore is open about his pesuasive agenda. Fox news admits to no such > slant. > > > The following item came to my mailbox this morning. It offers > information which I could verify if I wanted to, about current and > proposed highway/public transit funding. Then the writer expounds on > those facts to persuade me that the administration proposal is bad. > The writer has an open bias. The fact of bias, alone, does not > discredit a piece. What authenticates an attempt to persuade me is > simple: good information and logical conclusions. I think Moore's film > passes that test. If you don't agree, persuade me with some good > information and logical conclusions of your own. June > > > The federal-state funding match for public transit and highway > construction is currently 80:20. But under a new proposal from the > Bush Administration, states would be required to pay half the cost of > public transportation projects. The 80:20 ratio for new highways, > however, would stay unchanged. > > > This tilt in the funding match would inevitably push local > governments to build more highways at the expense of public transit. > The Sierra Club report, Missing the Train, details why supporting > public transportation makes so much more sense. > > > First of all, building public transportation creates more jobs than > highway construction. A study this year by the Surface Transportation > Policy Project found that for every $1.25 billion spent on new public > transportation projects, nearly 51,300 people are employed. By > contrast, only 43,200 are employed per every $1.25 billion spent on > new roads and bridges. [1] That's an important reason why labor > leaders around the country now support public transportation. > > > Public transit boosts local economies as well. The Sierra Club report > cites examples from around the country -- including Washington, D.C., > Dallas/Ft. Worth, St. Louis, and Tampa Bay -- where public > transportation projects have revitalized neighborhoods and invigorated > business districts. In many areas, business and labor leaders have > teamed up to push for new projects. > _______________________________________________ > Owen mailing list > Owen@owenconnections.com > https://my.binhost.com/lists/listinfo/owen > Full archives at: http://archives.binhost.com/~owen _______________________________________________ Owen mailing list Owen@owenconnections.com https://my.binhost.com/lists/listinfo/owen Full archives at: http://archives.binhost.com/~owen From bhaschke1 at comcast.net Wed Jul 14 13:58:16 2004 From: bhaschke1 at comcast.net (beth haschke) Date: Thu Mar 24 11:51:04 2005 Subject: Fw: [owen] golf Message-ID: <001901c469cc$24026c80$6401a8c0@attbi.com> Hey Roger, Richie would like to play golf on Sat. a.m.---send me the details!! Thanks, Love you, Beth ----- Original Message ----- From: Bobby Owen To: beth haschke Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2004 12:36 PM Subject: Fw: [owen] golf ----- Original Message ----- From: Roger Owen To: owen@owenconnections.com Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2004 4:45 PM Subject: [owen] golf Hey golfers, Trying to get a head count! Steven, are you playing both days? Robert and Mark, are you playing both days---your dad says he can play Friday if the two of you play Friday--let me know. Scott, did I understand that one of your sons is playing with you on Sat? Anybody else?????? Thanks, Roger Owen, CLU, ChFC, CSA Longhorn Financial Advisors, LLC -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ Owen mailing list Owen@owenconnections.com https://my.binhost.com/lists/listinfo/owen Full archives at: http://archives.binhost.com/~owen -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I rather enjoyed the movie and found Mr. Moore's expos? / documentary very thought provoking. I would recommend his other movie as well Bowling for Columbine another thought provoking expos?/documentary. I felt that Fahrenheit 911 offered views with clips of our President making an ass of himself I'm positive that none of the clips were scripted. There for one can only conclude that the events took place as shown only a snapshot of events. I very strongly agree that with the message being given to us from our leaders is very mixed. They are emphasizing fear and terror with this color coded terror alert system. Let us know if we need to do something when they have a good idea there is a problem with credible evidence give me a red I'm in other than that let the appropriate agencies know what they need to watch out for. They want us to be afraid so they can pat themselves on the back and say look at what a good job we are doing when they tell us the threat level is down go about your business as usual and by the way vote for me. Maybe I'm just a N.W. liberal who has questions about how our country is doing these days . All I know is a lot of people are dieing with a sorry plan and no assurance as to how to correct the errors made in the mean time our leadership gives lip service like a puppet on a string thinking America the little guy has no intelligence to understand what is going on and we can be led like sheep using fear as a guide. Just a simple man's view, Looking forward to seeing all. Love Dean -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://my.binhost.com/pipermail/owen/attachments/20040714/2246fb8a/attachment.htm From Dowen at wcvt.com Thu Jul 15 10:45:30 2004 From: Dowen at wcvt.com (Owen, Dan) Date: Thu Mar 24 11:51:04 2005 Subject: [owen] Thursday Political Humor Message-ID: <805AC326445AED4B907F72E6CDB5D763430F75@tnetexchange.corp.wcvt.com> A woman in a hot air balloon realized she was lost. She lowered her altitude and spotted a man in a boat below. She shouted to him, "Excuse me, can you help me? I promised a friend I would meet him an hour ago, but I don't know where I am." The man consulted his portable GPS and replied, "You're in a hot air balloon approximately 30 feet above a ground elevation of 2346 feet above sea level. You are 31 degrees, 14.97 minutes north latitude and 100 degrees, 49.09 minutes west longitude. She rolled her eyes and said, "You must be a Republican." "I am," replied the man. "How did you know?" "Well," answered the balloonist, "everything you told me is technically correct, but I have no idea what to make of your information, and I'm still lost. Frankly, you've not been much help to me." The man smiled and responded, "You must be a Democrat." "I am," replied the balloonist. "How did you know?" "Well," said the man, "you don't know where you are or where you're going. You've risen to where you are due to a large quantity of hot air. You made a promise that you have no idea how to keep, and you expect me to solve your problem. You're in exactly the same position you were in before we met, but somehow now, it's my fault." -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://my.binhost.com/pipermail/owen/attachments/20040715/1221c8e5/attachment.htm From rowen1 at triad.rr.com Thu Jul 15 16:16:43 2004 From: rowen1 at triad.rr.com (Roger Owen) Date: Thu Mar 24 11:51:04 2005 Subject: [owen] Lying? Message-ID: <000d01c46aa8$a5893860$6401a8c0@RogerOwen> Just curious as to how the conversation will flow from everyone on this website who accused Bush of Lying during his State of the Union message. Now that the Senate has finally got to the bottom of the Joe Wilson scam, both Blair and Bush are held blameless....off the hook, based on the intelligence that they received. The democrats on the Senate Intelligence Committee were absolutely speechless today. This is just the tip of the iceberg of what the democrats have been forced to try to put over on the American public. Reason....they can't win with their candidate Expecting a bump in the polls after the selection of Edwards for VEEP? Well, here in Edwards home state of North Carolina, the Democratic ticket plummeted to a minus 15 points below Bush and Cheny. Nice try Dems. They are certainly living up to their "jackass" label. 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I would not be surprised if he was in their ads before its all over as the victim in this scenario. Would they rather he be back filling up mass graves, allowing his sons to rape and pillage whoever they pleased, and threatening all of his neighbors, Muslim or Jew, with war? It is impossible to genuinely state that he was not a clear and present danger to this country and its allies. Do they really not see that Saddam sacrificed all that he had for something? He gave up everything, all power, possessions, prestige, to protect something. What was it? He could have avoided this loss by completely and totally opening up his country to the weapons inspectors and shown that he had no WMD, if that was the case. I would like to know from all the Connectioneers their answer to this question: ?For what do you think Saddam sacrificed everything he had, maybe even his sorry life?? Kelly. --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.719 / Virus Database: 475 - Release Date: 7/12/04 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.719 / Virus Database: 475 - Release Date: 7/12/04 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://my.binhost.com/pipermail/owen/attachments/20040715/befe6ef9/attachment.htm From rowen1 at triad.rr.com Thu Jul 15 18:02:20 2004 From: rowen1 at triad.rr.com (Roger Owen) Date: Thu Mar 24 11:51:04 2005 Subject: [owen] Why did Saddam lose it all? References: <004401c46aac$ddc7e240$c793fea9@domain1> Message-ID: <001a01c46ab7$66e7e750$6401a8c0@RogerOwen> I believe with everything that is in me that Saddam underestimated Bush, just as the Dems have. One of the things that makes Bush the great leader that he is is that he does what he says he is going to do and he does what he believes in. For those who do not believe as Bush does, your vote in November will express your opinion. I find it amazing that follwoing the most incredible personal attack ever witnessed on an American President by a willing media, both books and movies, the announcement of a vice-president, and bush-bashing from everydirection imaginable, the Kerry-Edwards ticket is still not way ahead in the polls. FYI - One one Senator has ever been elected President. Never has there been two elections a close as the last presidential election, back to back. Make out of it what you will. Roger ----- Original Message ----- From: Kelly Mack Cassels To: owen@owenconnections.com Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2004 4:46 PM Subject: [owen] Why did Saddam lose it all? I am so tired of all the Bush-bashing. I am a registered Republican, but not so long ago was a registered Democrat. I would like to know what these folks are for, not just who they are against. I want to scream out- "Would you really rather have Saddam back in power?" The left is on the verge of setting Saddam up as the hapless victim of Bush's desire to start a war so he could get rich from the oil business. I would not be surprised if he was in their ads before its all over as the victim in this scenario. Would they rather he be back filling up mass graves, allowing his sons to rape and pillage whoever they pleased, and threatening all of his neighbors, Muslim or Jew, with war? It is impossible to genuinely state that he was not a clear and present danger to this country and its allies. Do they really not see that Saddam sacrificed all that he had for something? He gave up everything, all power, possessions, prestige, to protect something. What was it? He could have avoided this loss by completely and totally opening up his country to the weapons inspectors and shown that he had no WMD, if that was the case. I would like to know from all the Connectioneers their answer to this question: "For what do you think Saddam sacrificed everything he had, maybe even his sorry life?" Kelly. --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.719 / Virus Database: 475 - Release Date: 7/12/04 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.719 / Virus Database: 475 - Release Date: 7/12/04 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Owen mailing list Owen@owenconnections.com https://my.binhost.com/lists/listinfo/owen Full archives at: http://archives.binhost.com/~owen -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://my.binhost.com/pipermail/owen/attachments/20040715/7e874817/attachment.htm From homerowen at earthlink.net Thu Jul 15 20:03:24 2004 From: homerowen at earthlink.net (homerowen@earthlink.net) Date: Thu Mar 24 11:51:04 2005 Subject: [owen] FW: Mrs. Maria Heinz Kerry Message-ID: <92390-2200475160324463@M2W069.mail2web.com> Original Message: ----------------- For your perusal. All the best, Homer ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Following is a brief background on Mrs. John Kerry. She hates being called that, by the way: Maria Teresa Thiersten Simoes-Ferreira Heinz Kerry. Married Senator Kerry in 1995. She only took his name eighteen months ago and she is an "interesting" paradox of conflicts. If you thought John Kerry was scary, he doesn't hold a candle to his wife! Maria Teresa Thiersten Simoes-Ferreira Heinz Kerry was born in Mozambique, the daughter of a Portuguese physician, was educated in Switzerland and South Africa. Fluent in five languages, she was working as a United Nations interpreter in Geneva in the mid-60's when she met a "handsome" young American, H. John Heinz, III, who worked at a bank in Geneva. He told her his family was "in the food business." They were married in 1966 and returned to Pittsburgh where his family ran the giant H. J. Heinz Food Company. He was elected to the US House of Representatives in 1971, and in 1976 he was elected to the first of three terms in the United States Senate. A Republican, he wrote a burning diatribe against some of the causes backed by young House member John Kerry. Several years later, in 1991, he was killed when his plane collided with a Sun Oil Company helicopter over a Philadelphia suburb. The senator, his pilot and copilot, and both of Sun's helicopter pilots were killed. His wife, Teresa, and their three young sons survived him. Four years later, having inherited Heinz's $500 million fortune, she married Senator John Forbes Kerry, the liberal then-junior senator from Massachusetts. She became a registered Democrat and the process of her radicalization was set in motion. Heinz Kerry is not shy about telling people that she required Kerry to sign a prenuptial agreement before they were married. John Kerry may not have check writing privileges on the Heinz catsup and pickle fortune, but he is certainly a willing and uncomplaining beneficiary of it. A lot of hard-earned money, made through many years of hawking catsup, mustard, and pickles has fallen into the hands of two people who despise successful entrepreneurship and who believe in the confiscatory redistribution of wealth. So how does Mrs. Heinz Kerry spend John Heinz's money? Just one example: According to the G2 Bulletin, an online intelligence newsletter of WorldNetDaily, in the years between 1995-2001 she gave more than $4 million to an organization called the Tides Foundation. And what does the Tides Foundation do with John Heinz's money? They support numerous antiwar groups, including Ramsey Clark's International Action Center. Clark has offered to defend Saddam Hussein when he's tried. They support the Democratic Justice Fund, a joint venture of the Tides Foundation and billionaire hate-monger George Soros. The Democratic Justice Fund seeks to ease restrictions on Muslim immigration from "terrorist" states. They support the Council for American-Islamic Relations, whose leaders are known to have close ties to the terrorist group, Hamas. They support the National Lawyers Guild, organized as a communist front during the Cold War era. One of their attorneys, Lynne Stewart, has been arrested for helping a client, Sheikh Omar Abdel Rahman, communicate with terror cells in Egypt. He is the convicted mastermind of the 1993 World Trade Center bombing. They support the "Barrio Warriors," a radical Hispanic group whose primary goal is to return all of Arizona, California, New Mexico, and Texas to Mexico. These are but a few of the radical groups that benefit, through the anonymity provided by the Tides Foundation, from the generosity of our would-be first lady, the wealthy widow of Republican senator John Heinz, and now the wife of the Democratic senator who aspires to be the 44th President of the United States. Aiding and supporting our enemies is not good for America, regardless of your political views. If voters will open their eyes, educate themselves and see the real Teresa Heinz Kerry, they will not appreciate her position as ultra rich fairy godmother of the radical left. They will not want to imagine her laying her head on a pillow each night inches away from the President of the United States. Hopefully they love this country enough to decide that the only way these two will ever be allowed into the White House is with an engraved invitation in hand. These people are unfit to represent this great nation. The uninformed will never hear the truth from the press, who wants Kerry elected! Those who buy the Kerry facade, beware what you vote for - - - you may regret that you got it! Be well, Richard (Rachamim) Pauli --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From klowen at hsnp.com Fri Jul 16 08:03:27 2004 From: klowen at hsnp.com (lawrence) Date: Thu Mar 24 11:51:04 2005 Subject: [owen] good guys and bad gusy Message-ID: <000f01c46b2c$ea7e5f20$9989fea9@oemcomputer> Kelly -- You ask a question of "the left" beginning "Would they (the left) rather he (Saddam) be back . . . .(a list of really horific stuff?" I don' know about the left. I know that I would rather that Bush had spoken truth to the American people from the get go. Saddam and Iraq did not threaten America's security. Britain and US planes bombed freely all over Iraq. UN inspectors went about their business. Saddam's vaunted power proved to be non existent. Bush still lies about Saddam having something to do with the 9/11 attacks. I would rather that Bush would be accountable for the disastrous rioting which destroyed libraries and museums. I would rather that Bush fire someone -- anyone -- because he or she made a mistake. But Bush lies that he made no mistakes. You ask a question about Saddam's motives. I know as much about his motives as I do about yours and mine -- very little. Cheers -- Lawrence -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://my.binhost.com/pipermail/owen/attachments/20040716/577a6a68/attachment.htm From howen at netvision.net.il Fri Jul 16 09:42:41 2004 From: howen at netvision.net.il (Homer Owen) Date: Thu Mar 24 11:51:04 2005 Subject: [owen] good guys and bad gusy In-Reply-To: <000f01c46b2c$ea7e5f20$9989fea9@oemcomputer> Message-ID: on 7/16/04 3:03 PM, lawrence at klowen@hsnp.com wrote: It is interesting that you know all about Bush's motives but you don't know anything about the motives of Kelly or yourself. I stand amazed. Homer > Kelly -- > You ask a question of "the left" beginning "Would they (the left) rather > he (Saddam) be back . . . .(a list of really horific stuff?" > I don' know about the left. I know that I would rather that Bush had > spoken truth to the American people from the get go. Saddam and Iraq > did not threaten America's security. Britain and US planes bombed > freely all over Iraq. UN inspectors went about their business. Saddam's > vaunted power proved to be non existent. Bush still lies about Saddam > having something to do with the 9/11 attacks. I would rather that > Bush would be accountable for the disastrous rioting which > destroyed libraries and museums. I would rather that Bush > fire someone -- anyone -- because he or she made a mistake. > But Bush lies that he made no mistakes. > > You ask a question about Saddam's motives. I know as much about his > motives as I do about yours and mine -- very little. > > Cheers -- Lawrence > > > _______________________________________________ > Owen mailing list > Owen@owenconnections.com > https://my.binhost.com/lists/listinfo/owen > Full archives at: http://archives.binhost.com/~owen > From kmcassels at sbcw-law.com Fri Jul 16 09:56:47 2004 From: kmcassels at sbcw-law.com (Kelly Mack Cassels) Date: Thu Mar 24 11:51:05 2005 Subject: [owen] good guys and bad guys In-Reply-To: <000f01c46b2c$ea7e5f20$9989fea9@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <000901c46b3c$be5a1140$c793fea9@domain1> Thanks Uncle Lawrence, But you did not answer the question. Would you rather have Saddam Hussein back in power? Kelly -----Original Message----- From: owen-bounces@owenconnections.com [mailto:owen-bounces@owenconnections.com] On Behalf Of lawrence Sent: Friday, July 16, 2004 6:03 AM To: owen@owenconnections.com Subject: [owen] good guys and bad gusy Kelly -- You ask a question of "the left" beginning "Would they (the left) rather he (Saddam) be back . . . .(a list of really horific stuff?" I don' know about the left. I know that I would rather that Bush had spoken truth to the American people from the get go. Saddam and Iraq did not threaten America's security. Britain and US planes bombed freely all over Iraq. UN inspectors went about their business. Saddam's vaunted power proved to be non existent. Bush still lies about Saddam having something to do with the 9/11 attacks. I would rather that Bush would be accountable for the disastrous rioting which destroyed libraries and museums. I would rather that Bush fire someone -- anyone -- because he or she made a mistake. But Bush lies that he made no mistakes. You ask a question about Saddam's motives. I know as much about his motives as I do about yours and mine -- very little. Cheers -- Lawrence --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.719 / Virus Database: 475 - Release Date: 7/12/04 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.719 / Virus Database: 475 - Release Date: 7/12/04 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://my.binhost.com/pipermail/owen/attachments/20040716/5e09148a/attachment.htm From justin.newman at binhost.com Fri Jul 16 10:38:51 2004 From: justin.newman at binhost.com (Justin B. Newman) Date: Thu Mar 24 11:51:05 2005 Subject: [owen] good guys and bad guys In-Reply-To: <000901c46b3c$be5a1140$c793fea9@domain1> References: <000901c46b3c$be5a1140$c793fea9@domain1> Message-ID: Kelly, I know I would rather not have Saddam back in power. I know I wouldn't want the Japanese running the US. That doesn't make dropping Atomic bombs right. I wouldn't want a mass murderer walking the streets. That doesn't mean that our government should go capture him and kill him without a trial. Bush and company should be held accountable for anything they've done wrong, as should I, you, Bill and Hillary, or ___. This is regardless of whether those wrongs ultimately led to some positive outcomes. (Noting that the loss of thousands of lives, American and otherwise, in Iraq, since the invasion, cannot in and of itself be seen as positive). -jbn On Jul 16, 2004, at 9:56 AM, Kelly Mack Cassels wrote: > Thanks Uncle Lawrence, > > ? > > But you did not answer the question.? Would you rather have Saddam > Hussein back in power? > > ? > > Kelly > > ? > > -----Original Message----- > From: owen-bounces@owenconnections.com > [mailto:owen-bounces@owenconnections.com] On Behalf Of lawrence > Sent: Friday, July 16, 2004 6:03 AM > To: owen@owenconnections.com > Subject: [owen] good guys and bad gusy > > ? > > Kelly -- > > You ask a question of "the left" beginning "Would they (the left) > rather > > he (Saddam) be back . . . .(a list of really horific stuff?"? > > I don' know about the left.? I know that I would rather that Bush had > > spoken truth to the American people from the get go.? Saddam and Iraq > > did not threaten America's security.? Britain and US planes bombed > > freely all over Iraq.? UN inspectors went about their business.? > Saddam's > > vaunted power proved to be non existent.? Bush still lies about?Saddam > > having something to do with the 9/11 attacks.? I would rather that > > Bush would?be accountable for the disastrous rioting which > > destroyed libraries and museums.? I would rather that Bush > > fire someone --? anyone -- because he or she made a mistake.? > > But Bush lies that he made no mistakes.? > > ? > > You ask a question about Saddam's motives.? I know as much about his > > motives as I do about yours and mine --? very little.? > > ? > > Cheers --? Lawrence > > ? > > > > --- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.719 / Virus Database: 475 - Release Date: 7/12/04 > > > > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.719 / Virus Database: 475 - Release Date: 7/12/04 > > _______________________________________________ > Owen mailing list > Owen@owenconnections.com > https://my.binhost.com/lists/listinfo/owen > Full archives at: http://archives.binhost.com/~owen From kmcassels at sbcw-law.com Fri Jul 16 11:14:46 2004 From: kmcassels at sbcw-law.com (Kelly Mack Cassels) Date: Thu Mar 24 11:51:05 2005 Subject: [owen] good guys and bad guys In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001501c46b47$a2f48380$c793fea9@domain1> Justin, I am no historian, but I seem to remember that if the US were forced to invade and capture Japan at the conclusion of WWII, the estimate was that 1,000,000 casualties, both American and Japanese were expected. The two atom bombs created hundreds of thousands of Japanese casualties, but far less than the million expected from an invasion. Japan was the aggressor, it bore the loss, but it also created the conflict. In that instance, the end justified the means. The same is true of Iraq. Thousands of people have died, but Saddam had killed hundreds of thousands, and would still be doing so today if we had not acted. In my opinion, the end justified the means. It all boils down to opinion in the end. How much does a country have to accept before it acts? When does tolerance become appeasement? When does appeasement blossom into enablement? If Chamberlain and Wilson were alive today, they would give us a lesson for sure. It is said that he who does not know the mistakes of history are destined to repeat them. I am glad my leaders knew the mistakes of history. They remembered that turning their heads the other direction did not lead to peace in Europe and Asia in the 1930s. Sooner or later aggressors come calling to take on the biggest kid on the block. Having said all that, I digress to the real important point I have to make. I have no real hope for physical peace in this world until Jesus returns. (We can have spiritual Peace through the knowledge that we have already overcome the world through Christ.) The conflict that is waged in the Middle East will be with us, and I think entangle us all, right up until Christ returns. The powder keg that exists there comes right out of Isaiah and the Revelation. We can try to brunt it, but the radical muslim movement which has been sparked by the enemy of peace will continue to burn until all conflict is ended by the Prince of Peace. As long as the war is being waged, I would rather it be waged in their front yard than mine. Call me selfish. Peace to you, Kelly. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.719 / Virus Database: 475 - Release Date: 7/12/04 From justin.newman at binhost.com Fri Jul 16 11:23:14 2004 From: justin.newman at binhost.com (Justin B. Newman) Date: Thu Mar 24 11:51:05 2005 Subject: [owen] good guys and bad guys In-Reply-To: <001501c46b47$a2f48380$c793fea9@domain1> References: <001501c46b47$a2f48380$c793fea9@domain1> Message-ID: <0E5E3D97-D73C-11D8-B3E0-000393A6F71A@binhost.com> On Jul 16, 2004, at 11:14 AM, Kelly Mack Cassels wrote (and Justin excerpted): > but far less than the million expected from an invasion. Japan was the > aggressor, it bore the loss, but it also created the conflict. In that > instance, the end justified the means. > > The same is true of Iraq. Thousands of people have died, but Saddam > had > killed hundreds of thousands, and would still be doing so today if we > had not acted. In my opinion, the end justified the means. > > Having said all that, I digress to the real important point I have to > make. I have no real hope for physical peace in this world until Jesus > returns. (We can have spiritual Peace through the knowledge that we > have already overcome the world through Christ.) The conflict that is > > As long as the war is being waged, I would rather it be waged in their > front yard than mine. Call me selfish. Kelly, It saddens me that you believe that ends can justify means. It saddens me even more that you believe that Jesus Christ would condone such a thing. I think these are these two beliefs (which ultimately are probably the two determining factors as to how many Americans view the middle east conflicts) that are the most dangerous and lead to the most deaths in the world. -jbn From SAOwen at TarrantCounty.com Fri Jul 16 11:36:14 2004 From: SAOwen at TarrantCounty.com (Steve Owen) Date: Thu Mar 24 11:51:05 2005 Subject: [owen] good guys and bad guys Message-ID: Ok. You're selfish. From kmcassels at sbcw-law.com Fri Jul 16 11:48:28 2004 From: kmcassels at sbcw-law.com (Kelly Mack Cassels) Date: Thu Mar 24 11:51:05 2005 Subject: [owen] good guys and bad guys In-Reply-To: <0E5E3D97-D73C-11D8-B3E0-000393A6F71A@binhost.com> Message-ID: <001601c46b4c$57b0af20$c793fea9@domain1> Justin, Are you really taking the position that the ends do not justify the means in some instances? Would you rather Hitler's concentration camps still exist? Would you rather humans still be owned and traded as chattel in this country? Would you really rather Saddam Hussein still rule in Iraq? I did not say in all instances, but I did cite two wherein I felt the ends justified the means. Finally, I did not say that Jesus condoned anything. I cannot speak for Him. I speak out of my own selfish desires and opinions. Don't hang Jesus with my shortcomings.... that's been done already. Kelly ******************************* It saddens me that you believe that ends can justify means. It saddens me even more that you believe that Jesus Christ would condone such a thing. I think these are these two beliefs (which ultimately are probably the two determining factors as to how many Americans view the middle east conflicts) that are the most dangerous and lead to the most deaths in the world. -jbn Justin, --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.719 / Virus Database: 475 - Release Date: 7/12/04 From joshbelbeck at comcast.net Fri Jul 16 12:06:31 2004 From: joshbelbeck at comcast.net (Josh Belbeck) Date: Thu Mar 24 11:51:05 2005 Subject: [owen] good guys and bad gusy In-Reply-To: <000f01c46b2c$ea7e5f20$9989fea9@oemcomputer> Message-ID: I wonder uncle Lawrence. You want bush to be held accountable for his lies. Yet you lied in your response. Please show us where bush said saddam had anything to do with 9/11. In fact he has claimed the opposite.that saddam had nothing to do with 9/11. Josh _____ From: owen-bounces@owenconnections.com [mailto:owen-bounces@owenconnections.com] On Behalf Of lawrence Sent: Friday, July 16, 2004 7:03 AM To: owen@owenconnections.com Subject: [owen] good guys and bad gusy Kelly -- You ask a question of "the left" beginning "Would they (the left) rather he (Saddam) be back . . . .(a list of really horific stuff?" I don' know about the left. I know that I would rather that Bush had spoken truth to the American people from the get go. Saddam and Iraq did not threaten America's security. Britain and US planes bombed freely all over Iraq. UN inspectors went about their business. Saddam's vaunted power proved to be non existent. Bush still lies about Saddam having something to do with the 9/11 attacks. I would rather that Bush would be accountable for the disastrous rioting which destroyed libraries and museums. I would rather that Bush fire someone -- anyone -- because he or she made a mistake. But Bush lies that he made no mistakes. You ask a question about Saddam's motives. I know as much about his motives as I do about yours and mine -- very little. Cheers -- Lawrence -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://my.binhost.com/pipermail/owen/attachments/20040716/6f489b43/attachment.htm From howen at netvision.net.il Fri Jul 16 17:14:25 2004 From: howen at netvision.net.il (Homer Owen) Date: Thu Mar 24 11:51:05 2005 Subject: [owen] good guys and bad guys In-Reply-To: Message-ID: on 7/16/04 5:38 PM, Justin B. Newman at justin.newman@binhost.com wrote: Justin, do you feel the lives that have been lost in the wars to protect the U.S. over the past 250 years turned out to be postive? > Kelly, > > I know I would rather not have Saddam back in power. I know I wouldn't > want the Japanese running the US. That doesn't make dropping Atomic > bombs right. I wouldn't want a mass murderer walking the streets. > That doesn't mean that our government should go capture him and kill > him without a trial. > > Bush and company should be held accountable for anything they've done > wrong, as should I, you, Bill and Hillary, or ___. This is regardless > of whether those wrongs ultimately led to some positive outcomes. > (Noting that the loss of thousands of lives, American and otherwise, in > Iraq, since the invasion, cannot in and of itself be seen as positive). > > -jbn > > On Jul 16, 2004, at 9:56 AM, Kelly Mack Cassels wrote: > >> Thanks Uncle Lawrence, >> >> ? >> >> But you did not answer the question.? Would you rather have Saddam >> Hussein back in power? >> >> ? >> >> Kelly >> >> ? >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owen-bounces@owenconnections.com >> [mailto:owen-bounces@owenconnections.com] On Behalf Of lawrence >> Sent: Friday, July 16, 2004 6:03 AM >> To: owen@owenconnections.com >> Subject: [owen] good guys and bad gusy >> >> ? >> >> Kelly -- >> >> You ask a question of "the left" beginning "Would they (the left) >> rather >> >> he (Saddam) be back . . . .(a list of really horific stuff?"? >> >> I don' know about the left.? I know that I would rather that Bush had >> >> spoken truth to the American people from the get go.? Saddam and Iraq >> >> did not threaten America's security.? Britain and US planes bombed >> >> freely all over Iraq.? UN inspectors went about their business.? >> Saddam's >> >> vaunted power proved to be non existent.? Bush still lies about?Saddam >> >> having something to do with the 9/11 attacks.? I would rather that >> >> Bush would?be accountable for the disastrous rioting which >> >> destroyed libraries and museums.? I would rather that Bush >> >> fire someone --? anyone -- because he or she made a mistake.? >> >> But Bush lies that he made no mistakes.? >> >> ? >> >> You ask a question about Saddam's motives.? I know as much about his >> >> motives as I do about yours and mine --? very little.? >> >> ? >> >> Cheers --? Lawrence >> >> ? >> >> >> >> --- >> Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. >> Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >> Version: 6.0.719 / Virus Database: 475 - Release Date: 7/12/04 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> --- >> Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >> Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >> Version: 6.0.719 / Virus Database: 475 - Release Date: 7/12/04 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Owen mailing list >> Owen@owenconnections.com >> https://my.binhost.com/lists/listinfo/owen >> Full archives at: http://archives.binhost.com/~owen > > _______________________________________________ > Owen mailing list > Owen@owenconnections.com > https://my.binhost.com/lists/listinfo/owen > Full archives at: http://archives.binhost.com/~owen From klowen at hsnp.com Fri Jul 16 19:14:37 2004 From: klowen at hsnp.com (lawrence) Date: Thu Mar 24 11:51:05 2005 Subject: [owen] motives Message-ID: <001301c46b8a$aaaaddc0$9989fea9@oemcomputer> Homer -- You say that I claim to know all about Bush's motives. Where, pray tell, do I claim to know Bush's motives? I think there was not one thing positive about the death of Sgt Joseph Owen in France in 1918 and the death of Cpl Pat Stagner in the Philippines in 1942. I think their deaths were horrible, stupid, wasteful. Cheers -- Lawrence -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://my.binhost.com/pipermail/owen/attachments/20040716/251704e1/attachment.htm From amnotmyown at juno.com Fri Jul 16 23:02:16 2004 From: amnotmyown at juno.com (amnotmyown@juno.com) Date: Thu Mar 24 11:51:05 2005 Subject: [owen] anna jos flight info Message-ID: <20040716.200226.6927.382319@webmail22.lax.untd.com> we need some help on picking up anna jo at dfw on aug 12, american airlines. it arrives around 12:19 pm and we need someone to pick her up. She leaves on Sunday aug 15 approx 5 pm and she needs a ride back to dfw. We need some help. Let me know and I will send her itenerary with airlines and flight numbers. Thanks Dian ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! From jd.cassels at verizon.net Sat Jul 17 07:55:19 2004 From: jd.cassels at verizon.net (Jeff Cassels) Date: Thu Mar 24 11:51:05 2005 Subject: [owen] motives In-Reply-To: <001301c46b8a$aaaaddc0$9989fea9@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <20040717115531.OKSQ15848.out010.verizon.net@Cassels> Both quotes from you Lawrence claiming to know Bush's motives. "I think Bush sent his army into Iraq for his reasons, not for Iraqi reasons. Iraqis did not start their own rebellion against the tyrant reigning over them." "Why did we invade Iraq? To open up business opportunities. Money. Money makes the world go round." Jeff _____ From: owen-bounces@owenconnections.com [mailto:owen-bounces@owenconnections.com] On Behalf Of lawrence Sent: Friday, July 16, 2004 6:15 PM To: owen@owenconnections.com Subject: [owen] motives Homer -- You say that I claim to know all about Bush's motives. Where, pray tell, do I claim to know Bush's motives? I think there was not one thing positive about the death of Sgt Joseph Owen in France in 1918 and the death of Cpl Pat Stagner in the Philippines in 1942. I think their deaths were horrible, stupid, wasteful. Cheers -- Lawrence -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://my.binhost.com/pipermail/owen/attachments/20040717/76ab5aac/attachment.htm From klowen at hsnp.com Sat Jul 17 10:01:26 2004 From: klowen at hsnp.com (lawrence) Date: Thu Mar 24 11:51:05 2005 Subject: [owen] saddam and 9/11 Message-ID: <001901c46c06$8d8c4400$9989fea9@oemcomputer> Josh -- Bush spoke in Cincinnati, Oct. 7, 2002. Here is one paragraph: "We know that Iraq and the al qaeda terrorist network share a common enemy -- the United States of America. We know that Iraq and al Qaeda have had high-level contacts that go back a decade. Some al Qaeda leaders who fled Afghanistan went to Iraq. These include one very senior al Qaeda leader who received medical treatment in Baghdad this year, and who has been associated with planning for chemical and biological attacks. We've learned that Iraq has trained al Qaeda members in bomb-making and poisons and deadly gases. And we know that after September the 11th, Saddam Hussein's regime gleefully celebrated the terrorist attacks on America." And one more pasxsage: "Why do we need to confront Iraq now? We've experienced the horror of September 11th. We have seen that those who hate America are willing to crash airplanes into buildings full of innocent people. Our enemies would be no less willing, in fact, they would be eager, to use biological or chemical, or a nuclear weapon." I stand by my claim that Bush led the American people to believe that Iraq had something to do with Iraq. Jeff -- Thank you for calling my attention to where I attributed motives to Bush. I would happily provide you with fifteen more such motives for him. Cheers -- Lawrence -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://my.binhost.com/pipermail/owen/attachments/20040717/a7742694/attachment.htm From howen at netvision.net.il Sat Jul 17 08:13:58 2004 From: howen at netvision.net.il (Homer Owen) Date: Thu Mar 24 11:51:05 2005 Subject: [owen] motives In-Reply-To: <001301c46b8a$aaaaddc0$9989fea9@oemcomputer> Message-ID: on 7/17/04 2:14 AM, lawrence at klowen@hsnp.com wrote: When you describe the deaths of our loved ones I totally agree with you. It just so happens we live in a world that has fallen from what God designed it to be in the beginning and now we have mad men come forth in an effort to dominate the world. I wish it were not this way but reality shows us that it is. In order to not have total chaos in the world we must have some semblance of law and order and use the authority that must go with law and order to give us a measure of peace. When England gave this land for the Jewish people to come home to we find almost immediately the Arabs beginning to resist this althought England took away 70% of what they had given to the Jews and gave this land to the Arabs. Now for almost 100 years we have the Arabs trying to destroy these Jewish people. The Jews are far from perfect but they have endeavored to work with the Arabs and have built the intrastructure for the Arabs to live here but every little bit the Arabs attack the Jews and demand they leave this land - not just the so called occupied territorites but the whole of Israel. We are at this moment watching the Jewish people dis engage from the Arabs and now the Arabs are demanding the Jews to quit this dis-engagement. Crazy world we live in. When the Arab mothers love their own children more than they hate the Jewish children we will see peace here. Not before. Yes, our uncles lives were taken from us but if they had not been willing to stand up for us we would be under Hitler or worse today. I am not for war, but I am for law and order which requires war sometimes. yeah, Homer > Homer -- > You say that I claim to know all about Bush's motives. > Where, pray tell, do I claim to know Bush's motives? > I think there was not one thing positive about the death > of Sgt Joseph Owen in France in 1918 and the death > of Cpl Pat Stagner in the Philippines in 1942. I think > their deaths were horrible, stupid, wasteful. > > Cheers -- Lawrence > > _______________________________________________ > Owen mailing list > Owen@owenconnections.com > https://my.binhost.com/lists/listinfo/owen > Full archives at: http://archives.binhost.com/~owen > From howen at netvision.net.il Sat Jul 17 08:23:43 2004 From: howen at netvision.net.il (Homer Owen) Date: Thu Mar 24 11:51:05 2005 Subject: [owen] motives In-Reply-To: <20040717115531.OKSQ15848.out010.verizon.net@Cassels> Message-ID: on 7/17/04 2:55 PM, Jeff Cassels at jd.cassels@verizon.net wrote: Thanks Jeff for pointing out what Lawrence said. I was wondering if I had misread his motive statements about Bush. Homer > Both quotes from you Lawrence claiming to know Bush's motives. > > "I think Bush sent his army into Iraq for his reasons, not for Iraqi > reasons. Iraqis did not start their own rebellion against the tyrant > reigning over them." > > "Why did we invade Iraq? To open up business opportunities. Money. Money > makes the world go round." > > Jeff > > > _____ > > From: owen-bounces@owenconnections.com > [mailto:owen-bounces@owenconnections.com] On Behalf Of lawrence > Sent: Friday, July 16, 2004 6:15 PM > To: owen@owenconnections.com > Subject: [owen] motives > > > Homer -- > You say that I claim to know all about Bush's motives. > Where, pray tell, do I claim to know Bush's motives? > I think there was not one thing positive about the death > of Sgt Joseph Owen in France in 1918 and the death > of Cpl Pat Stagner in the Philippines in 1942. I think > their deaths were horrible, stupid, wasteful. > > Cheers -- Lawrence > > _______________________________________________ > Owen mailing list > Owen@owenconnections.com > https://my.binhost.com/lists/listinfo/owen > Full archives at: http://archives.binhost.com/~owen > From rowen1 at triad.rr.com Sat Jul 17 14:44:23 2004 From: rowen1 at triad.rr.com (rowen1@triad.rr.com) Date: Thu Mar 24 11:51:05 2005 Subject: [owen] 9/11 Commission Finds Ties Between al-Qaeda and Iran Message-ID: <7513162.1090089863440.JavaMail.tomcat@localhost> *Please note, the sender's email address has not been verified. It was only a matter of time. At the end of the day, the truth will vidicate Mr. Bush. Now whether one wants to accept that truth is another matter. Roger ******************** If you are having trouble with any of the links in this message, or if the URL's are not appearing as links, please follow the instructions at the bottom of this email. 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In that your saying: what is being done is not right but all is forgiven because the outcome appears to be better. I use the term appears because lacking long term foresight your really not positive of the results of an action. We tend to justify our actions in what ever we can sell. There are a lot of people in prison today that if you ask them they either didn't do it or I'm sure something beyond their control caused them to steal, kill ,rape or whatever taking no responsibility for their actions. Saddam is sold to me and from all that I know to be a very bad man and has committed atrocities to man kind I believe this information to mostly true. Who put him into power? Who funded him and supplied him with weapons? Our fore fathers at one time felt the end justified the means take slavery or even better yet the slaughter of buffalo to drive the natives the real americans to starve or to be put into some camp to die a miserable existance. All in the best intrest of the white christians because the heathan's were bad and must be evil and it was alright. I ask does your crystal ball tell you that our country is traveling in a posative direction. When we divide into partys and advertise how the other party candadate is bad by clouding the truth and wasting so much energy on berating the other no real understanding of what the candidate's ansewers to how they plan to fix things count for anything. I believe that other country's see our actions and our democracy and say wow those americans have been lucky so far but we can take them down because they are afraid they are divided and they dont take responsability for thier own actions. Maybe it starts at the top by telling the american people the truth buck up look for posative solutions instead of whats in it for me and my good ol boys. Sorry what was I thinking we do live in the greatest nation in the world and I can speak my opinion and so can you. But a very big price was paid for that and respecting that and learning from it is in my opinion the duty of all americans. This is just my view and I am concerned as to the dirrection our country has chosen to travel. I dont have the ansewers and I'm not at ease with the ansewers our current leadership are giving. Cheers Dean > Justin, > > I am no historian, but I seem to remember that if the US were forced to > invade and capture Japan at the conclusion of WWII, the estimate was > that 1,000,000 casualties, both American and Japanese were expected. > The two atom bombs created hundreds of thousands of Japanese casualties, > but far less than the million expected from an invasion. Japan was the > aggressor, it bore the loss, but it also created the conflict. In that > instance, the end justified the means. > > The same is true of Iraq. Thousands of people have died, but Saddam had > killed hundreds of thousands, and would still be doing so today if we > had not acted. In my opinion, the end justified the means. > > It all boils down to opinion in the end. How much does a country have > to accept before it acts? When does tolerance become appeasement? When > does appeasement blossom into enablement? If Chamberlain and Wilson > were alive today, they would give us a lesson for sure. > > It is said that he who does not know the mistakes of history are > destined to repeat them. I am glad my leaders knew the mistakes of > history. They remembered that turning their heads the other direction > did not lead to peace in Europe and Asia in the 1930s. Sooner or later > aggressors come calling to take on the biggest kid on the block. > > Having said all that, I digress to the real important point I have to > make. I have no real hope for physical peace in this world until Jesus > returns. (We can have spiritual Peace through the knowledge that we > have already overcome the world through Christ.) The conflict that is > waged in the Middle East will be with us, and I think entangle us all, > right up until Christ returns. The powder keg that exists there comes > right out of Isaiah and the Revelation. We can try to brunt it, but the > radical muslim movement which has been sparked by the enemy of peace > will continue to burn until all conflict is ended by the Prince of > Peace. > > As long as the war is being waged, I would rather it be waged in their > front yard than mine. Call me selfish. > > Peace to you, > > Kelly. > > From howen at netvision.net.il Sat Jul 17 16:22:51 2004 From: howen at netvision.net.il (Homer Owen) Date: Thu Mar 24 11:51:05 2005 Subject: [owen] saddam and 9/11 In-Reply-To: <001901c46c06$8d8c4400$9989fea9@oemcomputer> Message-ID: on 7/17/04 5:01 PM, lawrence at klowen@hsnp.com wrote: Since you admit that you know the motives of Mr. Bush, pray tell me how you are able to do this and are not able to tell us what your motives are? Yes, I continue to stand amazed. Homer > Josh -- > Bush spoke in Cincinnati, Oct. 7, 2002. Here is one paragraph: > "We know that Iraq and the al qaeda terrorist network share a common enemy -- > the United States of America. We know that Iraq and al Qaeda have had > high-level contacts that go back a decade. Some al Qaeda leaders who fled > Afghanistan went to Iraq. These include one very senior al Qaeda leader who > received medical treatment in Baghdad this year, and who has been associated > with planning for chemical and biological attacks. We've learned that Iraq > has trained al Qaeda members in bomb-making and poisons and deadly gases. And > we know that after September the 11th, Saddam Hussein's regime gleefully > celebrated the terrorist attacks on America." > > And one more pasxsage: "Why do we need to confront Iraq now? We've > experienced the horror of September 11th. We have seen that those who hate > America are willing to crash > airplanes into buildings full of innocent people. Our enemies would be no > less willing, > in fact, they would be eager, to use biological or chemical, or a nuclear > weapon." > > I stand by my claim that Bush led the American people to believe that Iraq > had > something to do with Iraq. > > Jeff -- Thank you for calling my attention to where I attributed motives to > Bush. > I would happily provide you with fifteen more such motives for him. > > Cheers -- Lawrence > > _______________________________________________ > Owen mailing list > Owen@owenconnections.com > https://my.binhost.com/lists/listinfo/owen > Full archives at: http://archives.binhost.com/~owen > From june at binhost.com Sat Jul 17 20:26:53 2004 From: june at binhost.com (June Newman) Date: Thu Mar 24 11:51:05 2005 Subject: [owen] Jesus and Jihad Message-ID: <2AE39FB0-D851-11D8-BBE2-000A95C48E6C@binhost.com> Jesus and Jihad ????By Nicholas D. Kristoff ????New York Times ????Saturday 17 July 2004 ????If the latest in the "Left Behind" series of evangelical thrillers is to be believed, Jesus will return to Earth, gather non-Christians to his left and toss them into everlasting fire: ????"Jesus merely raised one hand a few inches and a yawning chasm opened in the earth, stretching far and wide enough to swallow all of them. They tumbled in, howling and screeching, but their wailing was soon quashed and all was silent when the earth closed itself again." ????These are the best-selling novels for adults in the United States, and they have sold more than 60 million copies worldwide. The latest is "Glorious Appearing," which has Jesus returning to Earth to wipe all non-Christians from the planet. It's disconcerting to find ethnic cleansing celebrated as the height of piety. ????If a Muslim were to write an Islamic version of "Glorious Appearing" and publish it in Saudi Arabia, jubilantly describing a massacre of millions of non-Muslims by God, we would have a fit. We have quite properly linked the fundamentalist religious tracts of Islam with the intolerance they nurture, and it's time to remove the motes from our own eyes. ????In "Glorious Appearing," Jesus merely speaks and the bodies of the enemy are ripped open. Christians have to drive carefully to avoid "hitting splayed and filleted bodies of men and women and horses." ????"The riders not thrown," the novel continues, "leaped from their horses and tried to control them with the reins, but even as they struggled, their own flesh dissolved, their eyes melted and their tongues disintegrated. . . . Seconds later the same plague afflicted the horses, their flesh and eyes and tongues melting away, leaving grotesque skeletons standing, before they, too, rattled to the pavement." ????One might have thought that Jesus would be more of an animal lover. ????These scenes also raise an eschatological problem: Could devout fundamentalists really enjoy paradise as their friends, relatives and neighbors were heaved into hell? ????As my Times colleague David Kirkpatrick noted in an article, this portrayal of a bloody Second Coming reflects a shift in American portrayals of Jesus, from a gentle Mister Rogers figure to a martial messiah presiding over a sea of blood. Militant Christianity rises to confront Militant Islam. ????This matters in the real world, in the same way that fundamentalist Islamic tracts in Saudi Arabia do. Each form of fundamentalism creates a stark moral division between decent, pious types like oneself - and infidels headed for hell. ????No, I don't think the readers of "Glorious Appearing" will ram planes into buildings. But we did imprison thousands of Muslims here and abroad after 9/11, and ordinary Americans joined in the torture of prisoners at Abu Ghraib in part because of a lack of empathy for the prisoners. It's harder to feel empathy for such people if we regard them as infidels and expect Jesus to dissolve their tongues and eyes any day now. ????I had reservations about writing this column because I don't want to mock anyone's religious beliefs, and millions of Americans think "Glorious Appearing" describes God's will. Yet ultimately I think it's a mistake to treat religion as a taboo, either in this country or in Saudi Arabia. ????I often write about religion precisely because faith has a vast impact on society. Since I've praised the work that evangelicals do in the third world (Christian aid groups are being particularly helpful in Sudan, at a time when most of the world has done nothing about the genocide there), I also feel a responsibility to protest intolerance at home. ????Should we really give intolerance a pass if it is rooted in religious faith? ????Many American Christians once read the Bible to mean that African-Americans were cursed as descendants of Noah's son Ham, and were intended by God to be enslaved. In the 19th century, millions of Americans sincerely accepted this Biblical justification for slavery as God's word - but surely it would have been wrong to defer to such racist nonsense simply because speaking out could have been perceived as denigrating some people's religious faith. ????People have the right to believe in a racist God, or a God who throws millions of nonevangelicals into hell. I don't think we should ban books that say that. But we should be embarrassed when our best-selling books gleefully celebrate religious intolerance and violence against infidels. ????That's not what America stands for, and I doubt that it's what God stands for. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/enriched Size: 4832 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://my.binhost.com/pipermail/owen/attachments/20040717/88f1754d/attachment.bin From howen at netvision.net.il Sun Jul 18 09:40:59 2004 From: howen at netvision.net.il (Homer Owen) Date: Thu Mar 24 11:51:05 2005 Subject: [owen] Jesus and Jihad In-Reply-To: <2AE39FB0-D851-11D8-BBE2-000A95C48E6C@binhost.com> Message-ID: on 7/18/04 3:26 AM, June Newman at june@binhost.com wrote: Dear June: I truly don't have an opinion of how everything is going to happen when Jesus returns and He deals with those who refuse to believe in Him and HIs Kingdom. Notice I said everything. I have strong feelings about some of the events that will unfold. For instance- I fully believe He is going to return and receive those who do believe. I agree with Nicholas that it will be sad to realize that some of your friends and family didn't get to the end time party. My prayer is that all of my friends and family will rejoice at His appearing and will enter into His great joy of having us with Him for ever. I personally have not read any of the left behind series or seen any of the movies, so I will not try to comment on them. Love, Homer > Jesus and Jihad > ????By Nicholas D. Kristoff > ????New York Times > > ????Saturday 17 July 2004 > > ????If the latest in the "Left Behind" series of evangelical thrillers > is to be believed, Jesus will return to Earth, gather non-Christians to > his left and toss them into everlasting fire: > > ????"Jesus merely raised one hand a few inches and a yawning chasm > opened in the earth, stretching far and wide enough to swallow all of > them. They tumbled in, howling and screeching, but their wailing was > soon quashed and all was silent when the earth closed itself again." > > ????These are the best-selling novels for adults in the United States, > and they have sold more than 60 million copies worldwide. The latest is > "Glorious Appearing," which has Jesus returning to Earth to wipe all > non-Christians from the planet. It's disconcerting to find ethnic > cleansing celebrated as the height of piety. > > ????If a Muslim were to write an Islamic version of "Glorious > Appearing" and publish it in Saudi Arabia, jubilantly describing a > massacre of millions of non-Muslims by God, we would have a fit. We > have quite properly linked the fundamentalist religious tracts of Islam > with the intolerance they nurture, and it's time to remove the motes > from our own eyes. > > ????In "Glorious Appearing," Jesus merely speaks and the bodies of the > enemy are ripped open. Christians have to drive carefully to avoid > "hitting splayed and filleted bodies of men and women and horses." > > ????"The riders not thrown," the novel continues, "leaped from their > horses and tried to control them with the reins, but even as they > struggled, their own flesh dissolved, their eyes melted and their > tongues disintegrated. . . . Seconds later the same plague afflicted > the horses, their flesh and eyes and tongues melting away, leaving > grotesque skeletons standing, before they, too, rattled to the > pavement." > > ????One might have thought that Jesus would be more of an animal lover. > > ????These scenes also raise an eschatological problem: Could devout > fundamentalists really enjoy paradise as their friends, relatives and > neighbors were heaved into hell? > > ????As my Times colleague David Kirkpatrick noted in an article, this > portrayal of a bloody Second Coming reflects a shift in American > portrayals of Jesus, from a gentle Mister Rogers figure to a martial > messiah presiding over a sea of blood. Militant Christianity rises to > confront Militant Islam. > > ????This matters in the real world, in the same way that > fundamentalist Islamic tracts in Saudi Arabia do. Each form of > fundamentalism creates a stark moral division between decent, pious > types like oneself - and infidels headed for hell. > > ????No, I don't think the readers of "Glorious Appearing" will ram > planes into buildings. But we did imprison thousands of Muslims here > and abroad after 9/11, and ordinary Americans joined in the torture of > prisoners at Abu Ghraib in part because of a lack of empathy for the > prisoners. It's harder to feel empathy for such people if we regard > them as infidels and expect Jesus to dissolve their tongues and eyes > any day now. > > ????I had reservations about writing this column because I don't want > to mock anyone's religious beliefs, and millions of Americans think > "Glorious Appearing" describes God's will. Yet ultimately I think it's > a mistake to treat religion as a taboo, either in this country or in > Saudi Arabia. > > ????I often write about religion precisely because faith has a vast > impact on society. Since I've praised the work that evangelicals do in > the third world (Christian aid groups are being particularly helpful in > Sudan, at a time when most of the world has done nothing about the > genocide there), I also feel a responsibility to protest intolerance at > home. > > ????Should we really give intolerance a pass if it is rooted in > religious faith? > > ????Many American Christians once read the Bible to mean that > African-Americans were cursed as descendants of Noah's son Ham, and > were intended by God to be enslaved. In the 19th century, millions of > Americans sincerely accepted this Biblical justification for slavery as > God's word - but surely it would have been wrong to defer to such > racist nonsense simply because speaking out could have been perceived > as denigrating some people's religious faith. > > ????People have the right to believe in a racist God, or a God who > throws millions of nonevangelicals into hell. I don't think we should > ban books that say that. But we should be embarrassed when our > best-selling books gleefully celebrate religious intolerance and > violence against infidels. > > ????That's not what America stands for, and I doubt that it's what God > stands for. > > _______________________________________________ > Owen mailing list > Owen@owenconnections.com > https://my.binhost.com/lists/listinfo/owen > Full archives at: http://archives.binhost.com/~owen > From june at binhost.com Sun Jul 18 14:31:17 2004 From: june at binhost.com (June Newman) Date: Thu Mar 24 11:51:05 2005 Subject: [owen] 9/11 Commission Finds Ties Between al-Qaeda and Iran In-Reply-To: <7513162.1090089863440.JavaMail.tomcat@localhost> References: <7513162.1090089863440.JavaMail.tomcat@localhost> Message-ID: Roger, I don't remember a discussion here about al-Qaeda and Iran. Was there one I missed? On Jul 17, 2004, at 1:44 PM, rowen1@triad.rr.com wrote: > > ? > > It was only a matter of time. At the end of the day, the truth will > vidicate Mr. Bush. Now whether one wants to accept that truth is > another matter. > > Roger? > ? > 9/11 Commission Finds Ties Between al-Qaeda and Iran* > > ? > ? > ? > > ? > > ? > > ? > ? > > Get your EMAIL THIS Browser Button and use it to email information > from any Web site. > > ? > ? > > ? > ? > > ? > *This article can also be accessed if you copy and paste the entire > address below into your web browser. > http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,664967,00.html > > > _______________________________________________ > Owen mailing list > Owen@owenconnections.com > https://my.binhost.com/lists/listinfo/owen > Full archives at: http://archives.binhost.com/~owen From rowen1 at triad.rr.com Sun Jul 18 22:51:19 2004 From: rowen1 at triad.rr.com (Roger Owen) Date: Thu Mar 24 11:51:05 2005 Subject: [owen] 9/11 Commission Finds Ties Between al-Qaeda and Iran References: <7513162.1090089863440.JavaMail.tomcat@localhost> Message-ID: <004c01c46d3b$44f76ae0$6401a8c0@RogerOwen> I believe that Lawrence and Athena have made reference to their belief that no ties existed between Iran and al-Qaeda on several occasions. Roger ----- Original Message ----- From: "June Newman" To: Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2004 2:31 PM Subject: Re: [owen] 9/11 Commission Finds Ties Between al-Qaeda and Iran Roger, I don't remember a discussion here about al-Qaeda and Iran. Was there one I missed? On Jul 17, 2004, at 1:44 PM, rowen1@triad.rr.com wrote: > > > > It was only a matter of time. At the end of the day, the truth will > vidicate Mr. Bush. Now whether one wants to accept that truth is > another matter. > > Roger > > 9/11 Commission Finds Ties Between al-Qaeda and Iran* > > > > > > > > > > > > > Get your EMAIL THIS Browser Button and use it to email information > from any Web site. > > > > > > > > > *This article can also be accessed if you copy and paste the entire > address below into your web browser. > http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,664967,00.html > > > _______________________________________________ > Owen mailing list > Owen@owenconnections.com > https://my.binhost.com/lists/listinfo/owen > Full archives at: http://archives.binhost.com/~owen _______________________________________________ Owen mailing list Owen@owenconnections.com https://my.binhost.com/lists/listinfo/owen Full archives at: http://archives.binhost.com/~owen From YouHavePictures at hpinstantshare.com Sun Jul 18 22:54:51 2004 From: YouHavePictures at hpinstantshare.com (rowen1@triad.rr.com) Date: Thu Mar 24 11:51:05 2005 Subject: [owen] future golfer Message-ID: <00c001c46d3b$c2c4c530$d329100a@live.permedio.net> hp instant share Invites you to see photos from: rowen1@triad.rr.com View Email Save Print Photos Interesting pics of a futrue Owen phenonm. 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URL: http://my.binhost.com/pipermail/owen/attachments/20040718/53fb4b5f/attachment.htm From klowen at hsnp.com Mon Jul 19 08:57:52 2004 From: klowen at hsnp.com (lawrence) Date: Thu Mar 24 11:51:05 2005 Subject: [owen] 9/11 Commission Finds Ties Between al-Qaeda and Iran References: <7513162.1090089863440.JavaMail.tomcat@localhost> <004c01c46d3b$44f76ae0$6401a8c0@RogerOwen> Message-ID: <000e01c46d90$010a7fc0$9989fea9@oemcomputer> Roger -- I have never made such a claim. I say that Bush & Co have claimed and failed to demonstrate that Saddam & Co had something to do with the 9/11 attacks. Lawrence ----- Original Message ----- From: Roger Owen To: Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2004 7:51 PM Subject: Re: [owen] 9/11 Commission Finds Ties Between al-Qaeda and Iran > I believe that Lawrence and Athena have made reference to their belief that > no ties existed between Iran and al-Qaeda on several occasions. > > Roger > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "June Newman" > To: > Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2004 2:31 PM > Subject: Re: [owen] 9/11 Commission Finds Ties Between al-Qaeda and Iran > > > Roger, I don't remember a discussion here about al-Qaeda and Iran. Was > there one I missed? > > On Jul 17, 2004, at 1:44 PM, rowen1@triad.rr.com wrote: > > > > > > > > > It was only a matter of time. At the end of the day, the truth will > > vidicate Mr. Bush. Now whether one wants to accept that truth is > > another matter. > > > > Roger > > > > 9/11 Commission Finds Ties Between al-Qaeda and Iran* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Get your EMAIL THIS Browser Button and use it to email information > > from any Web site. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *This article can also be accessed if you copy and paste the entire > > address below into your web browser. > > http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,664967,00.html > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Owen mailing list > > Owen@owenconnections.com > > https://my.binhost.com/lists/listinfo/owen > > Full archives at: http://archives.binhost.com/~owen > > _______________________________________________ > Owen mailing list > Owen@owenconnections.com > https://my.binhost.com/lists/listinfo/owen > Full archives at: http://archives.binhost.com/~owen > > _______________________________________________ > Owen mailing list > Owen@owenconnections.com > https://my.binhost.com/lists/listinfo/owen > Full archives at: http://archives.binhost.com/~owen > From the_ahs at hometownsolutions.net Mon Jul 19 08:36:03 2004 From: the_ahs at hometownsolutions.net (Arne & Athena Kildegaard) Date: Thu Mar 24 11:51:05 2005 Subject: [owen] attention Message-ID: <40FBC033.6020102@hometownsolutions.net> Hi Roger, Nope, never said anything like that. Athena From june at binhost.com Mon Jul 19 08:50:40 2004 From: june at binhost.com (June Newman) Date: Thu Mar 24 11:51:05 2005 Subject: [owen] putting up Message-ID: <3D8D1420-D982-11D8-BBE2-000A95C48E6C@binhost.com> Daddy's electric anti-coon fence did its job, and we are enjoying an abundant harvest of sweet corn. When Mother and I were getting some ready for the freezer, she told me that her Grandma Tietjen preserved food "against the winter." I thought of the terms we use for canning, freezing, and preserving, like putting by, putting up, or putting away. Many of my most detailed memories from childhood have to do with those processes. I recall riveted fascination with sausage casings filling, beet skins slipping, bright jellies glowing on the window sill, pickles curing in stone jars. What memories do you all have with the putting by of good stuff to eat? June From june at binhost.com Mon Jul 19 09:45:15 2004 From: june at binhost.com (June Newman) Date: Thu Mar 24 11:51:05 2005 Subject: [owen] William G. Myers III Message-ID: The Senate is expected to debate and vote on confirmation of this Bush nominee. What follows came from Bush greenwatch, an organization committed to making folks aware of environmental issues and Bush's stand on them. It has a bias. Can one of you make a convincing argument with a different bias? June William G. Myers III, formerly a top lobbyist for the beef and mining industries, has been nominated by President Bush for a seat on the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals. Perhaps the nation's most significant appeals court when it comes to environmental precedents, the 9th Circuit covers nine western states which include some 489 million acres of federal public lands. After serving two years as the solicitor (top lawyer) for President Bush's Interior Department, Myers stepped down amid a departmental investigation of his allegedly giving illegal favors to a politically connected Wyoming rancher. [1] Myers, who has never participated in a jury trial, nor been a judge at any level, was rated "not qualified" by over one-third of the American Bar Association's standing committee on the federal judiciary. Not one member gave him a "well qualified" rating. [2] Myers is opposed by an unprecedented coalition of some 180 tribal leaders, conservation groups, labor and civil rights organizations. For the first time in its 68-year history, the conservative National Wildlife Federation chose to oppose a president's judicial nominee. The reasons for such intense opposition are not hard to find. Myers has argued in court that the Clean Water Act and the Endangered Species Act are unconstitutional, and that there is no constitutional basis for the U.S. government to protect wetlands. He has compared management of the public's federal lands to "the tyrannical actions of King George in levying taxes" on the American colonies. [3] In one of his two formal opinions as solicitor at Interior, Myers argued that the Bureau of Land Management does not have the authority to prevent undue degradation of public lands resulting from mining operations. Tex Hall, chairman of the National Congress of American Indians, wrote last March in the Billings (Montana) Gazette that Myers "orchestrated a rollback of protections for sacred native sites on public lands, although such places have been central to the free exercise of religion for many American Indians for centuries." [4] This was a case in which Myers interpreted a federal statute to favor the mining industry at the expense of Native Americans, despite specific Congressional language to prevent undue damage to public land. Newspaper editorials in the western states covered by the Ninth Circuit have been less than enthusiastic. Myers' hometown [Boise] Idaho Statesman said Myers "sounds less like an attorney and more like an apologist for his old friends in the cattle industry." [5] In an editorial entitled "Unfit to Judge," Tucson's Arizona Daily Star asserted that "Myers' chief qualification for the job rests not in his legal acumen but in the fact that his anti-environmental views match those of the president." The Star went on to describe Myers as "a person who sees no connection between environmental policy and the health of the nation's natural resources." [6] The San Francisco Chronicle was more blunt: "One of President Bush's worst nominations" with a "long record of ideological extremism" and "open hostility to environmental protection." [7] When a Myers article warning that "environmentalists...are bent on stopping human activity whenever it may promote health, safety, and welfare" was noted in his Senate Judiciary Committee hearing, Sen. Charles Schumer (D-NY) reminded Myers that "the cases you were discussing" involved logging on national forests, racial discrimination in the siting of waste treatment plants, and protection of irrigation canals from toxic chemicals." [8] The Idaho Statesman may have caught the spirit of President Bush's choice best when it quoted John Falen, former president of the Nevada Cattlemen's Association: "Bill's our friend," said Falen. "It's been a long time since we had a friend in the solicitor's office." [9] ### -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Office of the Secretary For Immediate Release: July 13,2001 Contact: Stephanie Hanna (202) 208-6416 Secretary Norton Praises Senate Action Confirming William Myers as Solicitor for the Interior Department (WASHINGTON) - Interior Secretary Gale Norton today praised the U.S. Senate for voting to confirm William G. Myers III to serve as Solicitor for the Department of the Interior. Myers was nominated by President Bush in April and confirmed by the Senate on July 12. "Bill Myers is going to be a great asset and an important member of my leadership team," Secretary Norton said. "His legal career provides enormous experience in seeking and expanding common ground on public land issues. I know Bill's wisdom will be invaluable in resolving the many complex issues facing the Interior Department as we seek to conserve our natural heritage, provide a secure energy future for Americans in an environmentally sound manner, and meet our responsibilities toward American Indians and Native Alaskans." "I am honored by the opportunity to serve the President and the Secretary," Myers said. "I look forward to joining the team at the Interior Department and undertaking the important work of the American people." Myers is an attorney with Holland & Hart in Boise, Idaho. Previously, Myers was executive director of the Public Lands Council and director of federal lands for the National Cattlemen's Beef Association. Myers was deputy general counsel for programs at the U.S. Department of Energy from 1992 to 1993 and assistant to the United States Attorney General from 1989 to 1992. Myers began his public service career as legislative counsel to U.S. Senator Alan K. Simpson (R-WY) in 1985. Myers is the chairman of the Idaho Federal Lands Working Group, past vice chairman of the public lands committee for the American Bar Association's Environment, Energy and Resources section, and chairman of the state affairs and natural resources committee of the Boise Area Chamber of Commerce. Myers earned a B.A. from the College of William and Mary in 1977, and a J.D. from the University of Denver College of Law in 1981. Myers is admitted to practice in the United States Supreme Court, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Ninth and Tenth Circuits, and state and federal courts in Idaho, Colorado, Wyoming, and the District of Columbia. The Solicitor is the general counsel for the Department of the Interior. The Solicitor represents the Department in administrative and judicial litigation, and in meetings, negotiations, and other contacts with Congress, Federal agencies, States, Tribes, interest groups, and the public. The Solicitor drafts and reviews legislation, regulations, contracts, leases, permits, and legal correspondence for the Department. -DOI- -----Original Message----- From: owen-bounces@owenconnections.com [mailto:owen-bounces@owenconnections.com]On Behalf Of June Newman Sent: Monday, July 19, 2004 9:45 AM To: owen@owenconnections.com Subject: [owen] William G. Myers III The Senate is expected to debate and vote on confirmation of this Bush nominee. What follows came from Bush greenwatch, an organization committed to making folks aware of environmental issues and Bush's stand on them. It has a bias. Can one of you make a convincing argument with a different bias? June William G. Myers III, formerly a top lobbyist for the beef and mining industries, has been nominated by President Bush for a seat on the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals. Perhaps the nation's most significant appeals court when it comes to environmental precedents, the 9th Circuit covers nine western states which include some 489 million acres of federal public lands. After serving two years as the solicitor (top lawyer) for President Bush's Interior Department, Myers stepped down amid a departmental investigation of his allegedly giving illegal favors to a politically connected Wyoming rancher. [1] Myers, who has never participated in a jury trial, nor been a judge at any level, was rated "not qualified" by over one-third of the American Bar Association's standing committee on the federal judiciary. Not one member gave him a "well qualified" rating. [2] Myers is opposed by an unprecedented coalition of some 180 tribal leaders, conservation groups, labor and civil rights organizations. For the first time in its 68-year history, the conservative National Wildlife Federation chose to oppose a president's judicial nominee. The reasons for such intense opposition are not hard to find. Myers has argued in court that the Clean Water Act and the Endangered Species Act are unconstitutional, and that there is no constitutional basis for the U.S. government to protect wetlands. He has compared management of the public's federal lands to "the tyrannical actions of King George in levying taxes" on the American colonies. [3] In one of his two formal opinions as solicitor at Interior, Myers argued that the Bureau of Land Management does not have the authority to prevent undue degradation of public lands resulting from mining operations. Tex Hall, chairman of the National Congress of American Indians, wrote last March in the Billings (Montana) Gazette that Myers "orchestrated a rollback of protections for sacred native sites on public lands, although such places have been central to the free exercise of religion for many American Indians for centuries." [4] This was a case in which Myers interpreted a federal statute to favor the mining industry at the expense of Native Americans, despite specific Congressional language to prevent undue damage to public land. Newspaper editorials in the western states covered by the Ninth Circuit have been less than enthusiastic. Myers' hometown [Boise] Idaho Statesman said Myers "sounds less like an attorney and more like an apologist for his old friends in the cattle industry." [5] In an editorial entitled "Unfit to Judge," Tucson's Arizona Daily Star asserted that "Myers' chief qualification for the job rests not in his legal acumen but in the fact that his anti-environmental views match those of the president." The Star went on to describe Myers as "a person who sees no connection between environmental policy and the health of the nation's natural resources." [6] The San Francisco Chronicle was more blunt: "One of President Bush's worst nominations" with a "long record of ideological extremism" and "open hostility to environmental protection." [7] When a Myers article warning that "environmentalists...are bent on stopping human activity whenever it may promote health, safety, and welfare" was noted in his Senate Judiciary Committee hearing, Sen. Charles Schumer (D-NY) reminded Myers that "the cases you were discussing" involved logging on national forests, racial discrimination in the siting of waste treatment plants, and protection of irrigation canals from toxic chemicals." [8] The Idaho Statesman may have caught the spirit of President Bush's choice best when it quoted John Falen, former president of the Nevada Cattlemen's Association: "Bill's our friend," said Falen. "It's been a long time since we had a friend in the solicitor's office." [9] ### -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://my.binhost.com/pipermail/owen/attachments/20040719/6869847f/attachment.htm From kmcassels at sbcw-law.com Mon Jul 19 11:01:41 2004 From: kmcassels at sbcw-law.com (Kelly Mack Cassels) Date: Thu Mar 24 11:51:06 2005 Subject: [owen] Jesus and Jihad In-Reply-To: <2AE39FB0-D851-11D8-BBE2-000A95C48E6C@binhost.com> Message-ID: <001e01c46da1$4e231220$c793fea9@domain1> You read, you decide. From Matthew chapter 25: MT 25:31 "When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his throne in heavenly glory. 32 All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33 He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left. MT 25:34 "Then the King will say to those on his right, `Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35 For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36 I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.' MT 25:37 "Then the righteous will answer him, `Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38 When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39 When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?' MT 25:40 "The King will reply, `I tell you the truth, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of mine, you did for me.' MT 25:41 "Then he will say to those on his left, `Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42 For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43 I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.' MT 25:44 "They also will answer, `Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?' MT 25:45 "He will reply, `I tell you the truth, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.' MT 25:46 "Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life." The Revelation is equally as clear and as graphic. The Bible says what it says. I do not apologize for it. It is meant to be a warning to those of us who think we do not need a Savior, who would rather believe we are where we are of our own accord. Every one will continue into eternity; the only question is ?Smoking or non-smoking?? We all know what John 3:16 says, but the next few verses are equally as important: JN 3:16 "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. 17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. 18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of God's one and only Son. 19 This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but men loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil. 20 Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that his deeds will be exposed. 21 But whoever lives by the truth comes into the light, so that it may be seen plainly that what he has done has been done through God." The world stands condemned because we all have sinned. Jesus came not to condemn, but to save the condemned. Many of us choose not to come to Him plainly and simply because we love our deeds done in the darkness and don?t want to change. It is our choice not His. The Word says what it says. It is not comforting to those who refuse to believe it. Peace, Kelly --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.719 / Virus Database: 475 - Release Date: 7/12/04 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://my.binhost.com/pipermail/owen/attachments/20040719/388826a6/attachment.htm From kmcassels at sbcw-law.com Mon Jul 19 11:18:13 2004 From: kmcassels at sbcw-law.com (Kelly Mack Cassels) Date: Thu Mar 24 11:51:06 2005 Subject: [owen] putting up In-Reply-To: <3D8D1420-D982-11D8-BBE2-000A95C48E6C@binhost.com> Message-ID: <002501c46da3$9ee4ad20$c793fea9@domain1> I remember the annual Christmastime candy-making gatherings. Those are such vivid memories that the smells still come to me. I can also remember having such a crush on Brenda, and I don't know if I came more for the candy, or for Brenda!!! Peace, Kelly --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.719 / Virus Database: 475 - Release Date: 7/12/04 From june at binhost.com Mon Jul 19 12:02:05 2004 From: june at binhost.com (June Newman) Date: Thu Mar 24 11:51:06 2005 Subject: [owen] William G. Myers III In-Reply-To: <805AC326445AED4B907F72E6CDB5D763430F7A@tnetexchange.corp.wcvt.com> References: <805AC326445AED4B907F72E6CDB5D763430F7A@tnetexchange.corp.wcvt.com> Message-ID: Dan, I'm puzzled by this reference to Myers' confirmation on July 12. A search of news articles finds umpteen that say the debate is today and the vote tomorrow. But that does not relate to his qualifications. Gail Norton is not a good spokesman for environmental issues. Are you serious when you imply that what environmentalists oppose, you support? June On Jul 19, 2004, at 9:36 AM, Owen, Dan wrote: > June, > A quick internet search uncovered the attached recommendation from the > Interior Secretary for Mr.. Myers.? It appears he is qualified for the > job and has worked the issues for many years.??He is opposed by > numerous environmental groups.? The mere fact that they do not like > him?brings me comfort.? How's that for a different bias. ha ha ha? > Dan O................... > ? > > Office of the Secretary > For Immediate Release: July 13,2001 > > Contact: Stephanie Hanna (202) 208-6416 > > > Secretary Norton Praises Senate Action Confirming > William Myers as Solicitor for the Interior Department > (WASHINGTON) - Interior Secretary Gale Norton today praised the U.S. > Senate for voting to confirm William G. Myers III to serve as > Solicitor for the Department of the Interior. Myers was nominated by > President Bush in April and confirmed by the Senate on July 12. > > "Bill Myers is going to be a great asset and an important member of my > leadership team," Secretary Norton said. "His legal career provides > enormous experience in seeking and expanding common ground on public > land issues. I know Bill's wisdom will be invaluable in resolving the > many complex issues facing the Interior Department as we seek to > conserve our natural heritage, provide a secure energy future for > Americans in an environmentally sound manner, and meet our > responsibilities toward American Indians and Native Alaskans." > > "I am honored by the opportunity to serve the President and the > Secretary," Myers said. "I look forward to joining the team at the > Interior Department and undertaking the important work of the American > people." > > Myers is an attorney with Holland & Hart in Boise, Idaho. Previously, > Myers was executive director of the Public Lands Council and director > of federal lands for the National Cattlemen's Beef Association. > > Myers was deputy general counsel for programs at the U.S. Department > of Energy from 1992 to 1993 and assistant to the United States > Attorney General from 1989 to 1992. Myers began his public service > career as legislative counsel to U.S. Senator Alan K. Simpson (R-WY) > in 1985. > > Myers is the chairman of the Idaho Federal Lands Working Group, past > vice chairman of the public lands committee for the American Bar > Association's Environment, Energy and Resources section, and chairman > of the state affairs and natural resources committee of the Boise Area > Chamber of Commerce. > > Myers earned a B.A. from the College of William and Mary in 1977, and > a J.D. from the University of Denver College of Law in 1981. Myers is > admitted to practice in the United States Supreme Court, the U.S. > Court of Appeals for the Ninth and Tenth Circuits, and state and > federal courts in Idaho, Colorado, Wyoming, and the District of > Columbia. > The Solicitor is the general counsel for the Department of the > Interior. The Solicitor represents the Department in administrative > and judicial litigation, and in meetings, negotiations, and other > contacts with Congress, Federal agencies, States, Tribes, interest > groups, and the public. The Solicitor drafts and reviews legislation, > regulations, contracts, leases, permits, and legal correspondence for > the Department. > > > -DOI- > -----Original Message----- > From: owen-bounces@owenconnections.com > [mailto:owen-bounces@owenconnections.com]On Behalf Of June Newman > Sent: Monday, July 19, 2004 9:45 AM > To: owen@owenconnections.com > Subject: [owen] William G. Myers III > > The Senate is expected to debate and vote on confirmation of this Bush > nominee. What follows came from Bush greenwatch, an organization > committed to making folks aware of environmental issues and Bush's > stand on them. It has a bias. Can one of you make a convincing > argument with a different bias? June > > > William G. Myers III, formerly a top lobbyist for the beef and mining > industries, has been nominated by President Bush for a seat on the 9th > Circuit Court of Appeals. Perhaps the nation's most significant > appeals court when it comes to environmental precedents, the 9th > Circuit covers nine western states which include some 489 million > acres of federal public lands. > > > After serving two years as the solicitor (top lawyer) for President > Bush's Interior Department, Myers stepped down amid a departmental > investigation of his allegedly giving illegal favors to a politically > connected Wyoming rancher. [1] > > > Myers, who has never participated in a jury trial, nor been a judge > at any level, was rated "not qualified" by over one-third of the > American Bar Association's standing committee on the federal > judiciary. Not one member gave him a "well qualified" rating. [2] > Myers is opposed by an unprecedented coalition of some 180 tribal > leaders, conservation groups, labor and civil rights organizations. > For the first time in its 68-year history, the conservative National > Wildlife Federation chose to oppose a president's judicial nominee. > > > The reasons for such intense opposition are not hard to find. Myers > has argued in court that the Clean Water Act and the Endangered > Species Act are unconstitutional, and that there is no constitutional > basis for the U.S. government to protect wetlands. He has compared > management of the public's federal lands to "the tyrannical actions of > King George in levying taxes" on the American colonies. [3] > > > In one of his two formal opinions as solicitor at Interior, Myers > argued that the Bureau of Land Management does not have the authority > to prevent undue degradation of public lands resulting from mining > operations. > > > Tex Hall, chairman of the National Congress of American Indians, > wrote last March in the Billings (Montana) Gazette that Myers > "orchestrated a rollback of protections for sacred native sites on > public lands, although such places have been central to the free > exercise of religion for many American Indians for centuries." [4] > This was a case in which Myers interpreted a federal statute to favor > the mining industry at the expense of Native Americans, despite > specific Congressional language to prevent undue damage to public > land. > > > Newspaper editorials in the western states covered by the Ninth > Circuit have been less than enthusiastic. Myers' hometown [Boise] > Idaho Statesman said Myers "sounds less like an attorney and more like > an apologist for his old friends in the cattle industry." [5] > > > In an editorial entitled "Unfit to Judge," Tucson's Arizona Daily > Star asserted that "Myers' chief qualification for the job rests not > in his legal acumen but in the fact that his anti-environmental views > match those of the president." The Star went on to describe Myers as > "a person who sees no connection between environmental policy and the > health of the nation's natural resources." [6] > > > The San Francisco Chronicle was more blunt: "One of President Bush's > worst nominations" with a "long record of ideological extremism" and > "open hostility to environmental protection." [7] > > > When a Myers article warning that "environmentalists...are bent on > stopping human activity whenever it may promote health, safety, and > welfare" was noted in his Senate Judiciary Committee hearing, Sen. > Charles Schumer (D-NY) reminded Myers that "the cases you were > discussing" involved logging on national forests, racial > discrimination in the siting of waste treatment plants, and protection > of irrigation canals from toxic chemicals." [8] > > > The Idaho Statesman may have caught the spirit of President Bush's > choice best when it quoted John Falen, former president of the Nevada > Cattlemen's Association: "Bill's our friend," said Falen. "It's been a > long time since we had a friend in the solicitor's office." [9] > > > > ### > > _______________________________________________ > Owen mailing list > Owen@owenconnections.com > https://my.binhost.com/lists/listinfo/owen > Full archives at: http://archives.binhost.com/~owen From joshbelbeck at comcast.net Mon Jul 19 12:26:25 2004 From: joshbelbeck at comcast.net (Josh Belbeck) Date: Thu Mar 24 11:51:06 2005 Subject: [owen] saddam and 9/11 In-Reply-To: <001901c46c06$8d8c4400$9989fea9@oemcomputer> Message-ID: Uncle Lawrence I still don't see where bush said iraq had anything to do with 9/11. In fact, bush has said otherwise several times. This msnbc article backs up my point. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5233810/ I know that some of us want to so desperately believe that bush lied about this. There is yet to be any evidence of such. Did bush talk about al-qaeda and iraq..sure because they are terrorists. I would expect our president to name the terrorists while fighting the war on terror. However, it's not our governments responsibility to make sure that we understand the context when it is laid out pretty clearly in every statement dealing with terrorism. Josh _____ From: owen-bounces@owenconnections.com [mailto:owen-bounces@owenconnections.com] On Behalf Of lawrence Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2004 9:01 AM To: owen@owenconnections.com Subject: [owen] saddam and 9/11 Josh -- Bush spoke in Cincinnati, Oct. 7, 2002. Here is one paragraph: "We know that Iraq and the al qaeda terrorist network share a common enemy -- the United States of America. We know that Iraq and al Qaeda have had high-level contacts that go back a decade. Some al Qaeda leaders who fled Afghanistan went to Iraq. These include one very senior al Qaeda leader who received medical treatment in Baghdad this year, and who has been associated with planning for chemical and biological attacks. We've learned that Iraq has trained al Qaeda members in bomb-making and poisons and deadly gases. And we know that after September the 11th, Saddam Hussein's regime gleefully celebrated the terrorist attacks on America." And one more pasxsage: "Why do we need to confront Iraq now? We've experienced the horror of September 11th. We have seen that those who hate America are willing to crash airplanes into buildings full of innocent people. Our enemies would be no less willing, in fact, they would be eager, to use biological or chemical, or a nuclear weapon." I stand by my claim that Bush led the American people to believe that Iraq had something to do with Iraq. Jeff -- Thank you for calling my attention to where I attributed motives to Bush. I would happily provide you with fifteen more such motives for him. Cheers -- Lawrence -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://my.binhost.com/pipermail/owen/attachments/20040719/cc5be1dd/attachment.htm From Dowen at wcvt.com Mon Jul 19 14:14:57 2004 From: Dowen at wcvt.com (Owen, Dan) Date: Thu Mar 24 11:51:06 2005 Subject: [owen] William G. Myers III Message-ID: <805AC326445AED4B907F72E6CDB5D763430F7B@tnetexchange.corp.wcvt.com> June, I am aware that Gail Norton is disliked by most environmental groups. That is why I posted her recommendation, I thought you would get a kick out of it:) I am not familiar with the Myers confirmation timing or the details surrounding it so I truly do not have an informed position or understand why the posting has incorrect dates. I would say that just because Myers has represented industry interests does not make him a bad person or a poor choice. Seems to me an industry perspective is often represented in a poor light and yes, I often question environmentalists positions. I support some and oppose others. I am often involved in acquiring permits for telecommunication facilities and I can tell you from my experience that simple issues have been made expensive and litigious by environmentalists. Few people want trees trimmed until a branch is knocked down in an ice or wind storm and folks are without power and phone. Then they want you to clear cut the right-of-way. Many complain about poor cell phone coverage but fight tooth and nail when you want to erect an antenna tower. We complain about $2.00 a gallon gas and the strangle hold OPEC has on us but refuse to open up our own oil reserves in the Artic. Most desire cheap power but fight nuclear power plants. In Vermont we continue to remove land from the tax roles and place it under public ownership where it can't be used. Vicky and I lived in Alaska for a long time and that State is almost entirely government owned. Environmentalist push for public land ownership and then want to restrict the harvesting of the natural resources from that land. Seems to me we need balance in the Interior Department. If Myers is a little right of center chances are he is more than off-set by others in that department who are left of center. Love you all Dan O............ -----Original Message----- From: owen-bounces@owenconnections.com [mailto:owen-bounces@owenconnections.com]On Behalf Of June Newman Sent: Monday, July 19, 2004 12:02 PM To: owen@owenconnections.com Subject: Re: [owen] William G. Myers III Dan, I'm puzzled by this reference to Myers' confirmation on July 12. A search of news articles finds umpteen that say the debate is today and the vote tomorrow. But that does not relate to his qualifications. Gail Norton is not a good spokesman for environmental issues. Are you serious when you imply that what environmentalists oppose, you support? June On Jul 19, 2004, at 9:36 AM, Owen, Dan wrote: > June, > A quick internet search uncovered the attached recommendation from the > Interior Secretary for Mr.. Myers.? It appears he is qualified for the > job and has worked the issues for many years.??He is opposed by > numerous environmental groups.? The mere fact that they do not like > him?brings me comfort.? How's that for a different bias. ha ha ha? > Dan O................... > ? > > Office of the Secretary > For Immediate Release: July 13,2001 > > Contact: Stephanie Hanna (202) 208-6416 > > > Secretary Norton Praises Senate Action Confirming > William Myers as Solicitor for the Interior Department > (WASHINGTON) - Interior Secretary Gale Norton today praised the U.S. > Senate for voting to confirm William G. Myers III to serve as > Solicitor for the Department of the Interior. Myers was nominated by > President Bush in April and confirmed by the Senate on July 12. > > "Bill Myers is going to be a great asset and an important member of my > leadership team," Secretary Norton said. "His legal career provides > enormous experience in seeking and expanding common ground on public > land issues. I know Bill's wisdom will be invaluable in resolving the > many complex issues facing the Interior Department as we seek to > conserve our natural heritage, provide a secure energy future for > Americans in an environmentally sound manner, and meet our > responsibilities toward American Indians and Native Alaskans." > > "I am honored by the opportunity to serve the President and the > Secretary," Myers said. "I look forward to joining the team at the > Interior Department and undertaking the important work of the American > people." > > Myers is an attorney with Holland & Hart in Boise, Idaho. Previously, > Myers was executive director of the Public Lands Council and director > of federal lands for the National Cattlemen's Beef Association. > > Myers was deputy general counsel for programs at the U.S. Department > of Energy from 1992 to 1993 and assistant to the United States > Attorney General from 1989 to 1992. Myers began his public service > career as legislative counsel to U.S. Senator Alan K. Simpson (R-WY) > in 1985. > > Myers is the chairman of the Idaho Federal Lands Working Group, past > vice chairman of the public lands committee for the American Bar > Association's Environment, Energy and Resources section, and chairman > of the state affairs and natural resources committee of the Boise Area > Chamber of Commerce. > > Myers earned a B.A. from the College of William and Mary in 1977, and > a J.D. from the University of Denver College of Law in 1981. Myers is > admitted to practice in the United States Supreme Court, the U.S. > Court of Appeals for the Ninth and Tenth Circuits, and state and > federal courts in Idaho, Colorado, Wyoming, and the District of > Columbia. > The Solicitor is the general counsel for the Department of the > Interior. The Solicitor represents the Department in administrative > and judicial litigation, and in meetings, negotiations, and other > contacts with Congress, Federal agencies, States, Tribes, interest > groups, and the public. The Solicitor drafts and reviews legislation, > regulations, contracts, leases, permits, and legal correspondence for > the Department. > > > -DOI- > -----Original Message----- > From: owen-bounces@owenconnections.com > [mailto:owen-bounces@owenconnections.com]On Behalf Of June Newman > Sent: Monday, July 19, 2004 9:45 AM > To: owen@owenconnections.com > Subject: [owen] William G. Myers III > > The Senate is expected to debate and vote on confirmation of this Bush > nominee. What follows came from Bush greenwatch, an organization > committed to making folks aware of environmental issues and Bush's > stand on them. It has a bias. Can one of you make a convincing > argument with a different bias? June > > > William G. Myers III, formerly a top lobbyist for the beef and mining > industries, has been nominated by President Bush for a seat on the 9th > Circuit Court of Appeals. Perhaps the nation's most significant > appeals court when it comes to environmental precedents, the 9th > Circuit covers nine western states which include some 489 million > acres of federal public lands. > > > After serving two years as the solicitor (top lawyer) for President > Bush's Interior Department, Myers stepped down amid a departmental > investigation of his allegedly giving illegal favors to a politically > connected Wyoming rancher. [1] > > > Myers, who has never participated in a jury trial, nor been a judge > at any level, was rated "not qualified" by over one-third of the > American Bar Association's standing committee on the federal > judiciary. Not one member gave him a "well qualified" rating. [2] > Myers is opposed by an unprecedented coalition of some 180 tribal > leaders, conservation groups, labor and civil rights organizations. > For the first time in its 68-year history, the conservative National > Wildlife Federation chose to oppose a president's judicial nominee. > > > The reasons for such intense opposition are not hard to find. Myers > has argued in court that the Clean Water Act and the Endangered > Species Act are unconstitutional, and that there is no constitutional > basis for the U.S. government to protect wetlands. He has compared > management of the public's federal lands to "the tyrannical actions of > King George in levying taxes" on the American colonies. [3] > > > In one of his two formal opinions as solicitor at Interior, Myers > argued that the Bureau of Land Management does not have the authority > to prevent undue degradation of public lands resulting from mining > operations. > > > Tex Hall, chairman of the National Congress of American Indians, > wrote last March in the Billings (Montana) Gazette that Myers > "orchestrated a rollback of protections for sacred native sites on > public lands, although such places have been central to the free > exercise of religion for many American Indians for centuries." [4] > This was a case in which Myers interpreted a federal statute to favor > the mining industry at the expense of Native Americans, despite > specific Congressional language to prevent undue damage to public > land. > > > Newspaper editorials in the western states covered by the Ninth > Circuit have been less than enthusiastic. Myers' hometown [Boise] > Idaho Statesman said Myers "sounds less like an attorney and more like > an apologist for his old friends in the cattle industry." [5] > > > In an editorial entitled "Unfit to Judge," Tucson's Arizona Daily > Star asserted that "Myers' chief qualification for the job rests not > in his legal acumen but in the fact that his anti-environmental views > match those of the president." The Star went on to describe Myers as > "a person who sees no connection between environmental policy and the > health of the nation's natural resources." [6] > > > The San Francisco Chronicle was more blunt: "One of President Bush's > worst nominations" with a "long record of ideological extremism" and > "open hostility to environmental protection." [7] > > > When a Myers article warning that "environmentalists...are bent on > stopping human activity whenever it may promote health, safety, and > welfare" was noted in his Senate Judiciary Committee hearing, Sen. > Charles Schumer (D-NY) reminded Myers that "the cases you were > discussing" involved logging on national forests, racial > discrimination in the siting of waste treatment plants, and protection > of irrigation canals from toxic chemicals." [8] > > > The Idaho Statesman may have caught the spirit of President Bush's > choice best when it quoted John Falen, former president of the Nevada > Cattlemen's Association: "Bill's our friend," said Falen. "It's been a > long time since we had a friend in the solicitor's office." [9] > > > > ### > > _______________________________________________ > Owen mailing list > Owen@owenconnections.com > https://my.binhost.com/lists/listinfo/owen > Full archives at: http://archives.binhost.com/~owen _______________________________________________ Owen mailing list Owen@owenconnections.com https://my.binhost.com/lists/listinfo/owen Full archives at: http://archives.binhost.com/~owen From justin.newman at binhost.com Mon Jul 19 14:29:51 2004 From: justin.newman at binhost.com (Justin B. Newman) Date: Thu Mar 24 11:51:06 2005 Subject: [owen] William G. Myers III In-Reply-To: References: <805AC326445AED4B907F72E6CDB5D763430F7A@tnetexchange.corp.wcvt.com> Message-ID: <9FC1EE72-D9B1-11D8-A2E6-000393A6F71A@binhost.com> Let me apologize to the family for my poor mother. Her age is clearly affecting her sight and her ability to read the _years_ in dates. -jbn On Jul 19, 2004, at 12:02 PM, June Newman wrote: > Dan, I'm puzzled by this reference to Myers' confirmation on July 12. > A search of news articles finds umpteen that say the debate is today > and the vote tomorrow. But that does not relate to his > qualifications. Gail Norton is not a good spokesman for environmental > issues. Are you serious when you imply that what environmentalists > oppose, you support? June > > > On Jul 19, 2004, at 9:36 AM, Owen, Dan wrote: > >> June, >> A quick internet search uncovered the attached recommendation from >> the Interior Secretary for Mr.. Myers.? It appears he is qualified >> for the job and has worked the issues for many years.??He is opposed >> by numerous environmental groups.? The mere fact that they do not >> like him?brings me comfort.? How's that for a different bias. ha ha >> ha? >> Dan O................... >> ? >> >> Office of the Secretary >> For Immediate Release: July 13,2001 >> >> Contact: Stephanie Hanna (202) 208-6416 >> >> >> Secretary Norton Praises Senate Action Confirming >> William Myers as Solicitor for the Interior Department >> (WASHINGTON) - Interior Secretary Gale Norton today praised the U.S. >> Senate for voting to confirm William G. Myers III to serve as >> Solicitor for the Department of the Interior. Myers was nominated by >> President Bush in April and confirmed by the Senate on July 12. >> >> "Bill Myers is going to be a great asset and an important member of >> my leadership team," Secretary Norton said. "His legal career >> provides enormous experience in seeking and expanding common ground >> on public land issues. I know Bill's wisdom will be invaluable in >> resolving the many complex issues facing the Interior Department as >> we seek to conserve our natural heritage, provide a secure energy >> future for Americans in an environmentally sound manner, and meet our >> responsibilities toward American Indians and Native Alaskans." >> >> "I am honored by the opportunity to serve the President and the >> Secretary," Myers said. "I look forward to joining the team at the >> Interior Department and undertaking the important work of the >> American people." >> >> Myers is an attorney with Holland & Hart in Boise, Idaho. Previously, >> Myers was executive director of the Public Lands Council and director >> of federal lands for the National Cattlemen's Beef Association. >> >> Myers was deputy general counsel for programs at the U.S. Department >> of Energy from 1992 to 1993 and assistant to the United States >> Attorney General from 1989 to 1992. Myers began his public service >> career as legislative counsel to U.S. Senator Alan K. Simpson (R-WY) >> in 1985. >> >> Myers is the chairman of the Idaho Federal Lands Working Group, past >> vice chairman of the public lands committee for the American Bar >> Association's Environment, Energy and Resources section, and chairman >> of the state affairs and natural resources committee of the Boise >> Area Chamber of Commerce. >> >> Myers earned a B.A. from the College of William and Mary in 1977, and >> a J.D. from the University of Denver College of Law in 1981. Myers is >> admitted to practice in the United States Supreme Court, the U.S. >> Court of Appeals for the Ninth and Tenth Circuits, and state and >> federal courts in Idaho, Colorado, Wyoming, and the District of >> Columbia. >> The Solicitor is the general counsel for the Department of the >> Interior. The Solicitor represents the Department in administrative >> and judicial litigation, and in meetings, negotiations, and other >> contacts with Congress, Federal agencies, States, Tribes, interest >> groups, and the public. The Solicitor drafts and reviews legislation, >> regulations, contracts, leases, permits, and legal correspondence for >> the Department. >> >> >> -DOI- >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owen-bounces@owenconnections.com >> [mailto:owen-bounces@owenconnections.com]On Behalf Of June Newman >> Sent: Monday, July 19, 2004 9:45 AM >> To: owen@owenconnections.com >> Subject: [owen] William G. Myers III >> >> The Senate is expected to debate and vote on confirmation of this >> Bush nominee. What follows came from Bush greenwatch, an organization >> committed to making folks aware of environmental issues and Bush's >> stand on them. It has a bias. Can one of you make a convincing >> argument with a different bias? June >> >> >> William G. Myers III, formerly a top lobbyist for the beef and >> mining industries, has been nominated by President Bush for a seat on >> the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals. Perhaps the nation's most >> significant appeals court when it comes to environmental precedents, >> the 9th Circuit covers nine western states which include some 489 >> million acres of federal public lands. >> >> >> After serving two years as the solicitor (top lawyer) for President >> Bush's Interior Department, Myers stepped down amid a departmental >> investigation of his allegedly giving illegal favors to a politically >> connected Wyoming rancher. [1] >> >> >> Myers, who has never participated in a jury trial, nor been a judge >> at any level, was rated "not qualified" by over one-third of the >> American Bar Association's standing committee on the federal >> judiciary. Not one member gave him a "well qualified" rating. [2] >> Myers is opposed by an unprecedented coalition of some 180 tribal >> leaders, conservation groups, labor and civil rights organizations. >> For the first time in its 68-year history, the conservative National >> Wildlife Federation chose to oppose a president's judicial nominee. >> >> >> The reasons for such intense opposition are not hard to find. Myers >> has argued in court that the Clean Water Act and the Endangered >> Species Act are unconstitutional, and that there is no constitutional >> basis for the U.S. government to protect wetlands. He has compared >> management of the public's federal lands to "the tyrannical actions >> of King George in levying taxes" on the American colonies. [3] >> >> >> In one of his two formal opinions as solicitor at Interior, Myers >> argued that the Bureau of Land Management does not have the authority >> to prevent undue degradation of public lands resulting from mining >> operations. >> >> >> Tex Hall, chairman of the National Congress of American Indians, >> wrote last March in the Billings (Montana) Gazette that Myers >> "orchestrated a rollback of protections for sacred native sites on >> public lands, although such places have been central to the free >> exercise of religion for many American Indians for centuries." [4] >> This was a case in which Myers interpreted a federal statute to favor >> the mining industry at the expense of Native Americans, despite >> specific Congressional language to prevent undue damage to public >> land. >> >> >> Newspaper editorials in the western states covered by the Ninth >> Circuit have been less than enthusiastic. Myers' hometown [Boise] >> Idaho Statesman said Myers "sounds less like an attorney and more >> like an apologist for his old friends in the cattle industry." [5] >> >> >> In an editorial entitled "Unfit to Judge," Tucson's Arizona Daily >> Star asserted that "Myers' chief qualification for the job rests not >> in his legal acumen but in the fact that his anti-environmental views >> match those of the president." The Star went on to describe Myers as >> "a person who sees no connection between environmental policy and the >> health of the nation's natural resources." [6] >> >> >> The San Francisco Chronicle was more blunt: "One of President Bush's >> worst nominations" with a "long record of ideological extremism" and >> "open hostility to environmental protection." [7] >> >> >> When a Myers article warning that "environmentalists...are bent on >> stopping human activity whenever it may promote health, safety, and >> welfare" was noted in his Senate Judiciary Committee hearing, Sen. >> Charles Schumer (D-NY) reminded Myers that "the cases you were >> discussing" involved logging on national forests, racial >> discrimination in the siting of waste treatment plants, and >> protection of irrigation canals from toxic chemicals." [8] >> >> >> The Idaho Statesman may have caught the spirit of President Bush's >> choice best when it quoted John Falen, former president of the Nevada >> Cattlemen's Association: "Bill's our friend," said Falen. "It's been >> a long time since we had a friend in the solicitor's office." [9] >> >> >> >> ### >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Owen mailing list >> Owen@owenconnections.com >> https://my.binhost.com/lists/listinfo/owen >> Full archives at: http://archives.binhost.com/~owen > > _______________________________________________ > Owen mailing list > Owen@owenconnections.com > https://my.binhost.com/lists/listinfo/owen > Full archives at: http://archives.binhost.com/~owen > > From klowen at hsnp.com Mon Jul 19 16:36:35 2004 From: klowen at hsnp.com (lawrence) Date: Thu Mar 24 11:51:06 2005 Subject: [owen] motives Message-ID: <001301c46dd0$217bc080$9989fea9@oemcomputer> Homer -- As I understand human actions, it is extremely difficult to pin down one motive for an action. Mlulti8ple motives are at work in most of our actions. I am not a reliable informant about my own motives. You might be able to identify why I do something -- for example, why I continue to write items for owenconnections. I can identify a number of motives, but that does not mean that I would be accurate or truthful or thorough. August Strindberg wrote a play called MISS JULIE in 1888. In a long preface to the play Strindberg wrote about providing multiple motivations for the actions of his characters. Students found upwards of twenty answers to the question: "Why does Miss Julie bed down with Jean?" Here's one that might be entertaining to readers of owenconnections. Why Does Eve eat the forbidden fruit? Why did Bush order the American military to invade and conquer Iraq? If you can't think up at least twenty answers, you're being lazy. Cheers -- Lawrence -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://my.binhost.com/pipermail/owen/attachments/20040719/51d0d839/attachment.htm From bhaschke1 at comcast.net Mon Jul 19 15:14:57 2004 From: bhaschke1 at comcast.net (beth haschke) Date: Thu Mar 24 11:51:06 2005 Subject: [owen] golf Message-ID: <003801c46dc4$ae58f6a0$6401a8c0@attbi.com> Roger, We have had a change of plans and Richie will not be able to golf. Let me know if you get this message!!!!! Love ya, Beth -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://my.binhost.com/pipermail/owen/attachments/20040719/6e155044/attachment.htm From june at binhost.com Mon Jul 19 16:09:10 2004 From: june at binhost.com (June Newman) Date: Thu Mar 24 11:51:06 2005 Subject: [owen] William G. Myers III In-Reply-To: <9FC1EE72-D9B1-11D8-A2E6-000393A6F71A@binhost.com> References: <805AC326445AED4B907F72E6CDB5D763430F7A@tnetexchange.corp.wcvt.com> <9FC1EE72-D9B1-11D8-A2E6-000393A6F71A@binhost.com> Message-ID: <7F129512-D9BF-11D8-BBE2-000A95C48E6C@binhost.com> Oooops! I'm OD'ed on catfish, sweetcorn, and early tomatoes. It fogged my brain. On Jul 19, 2004, at 1:29 PM, Justin B. Newman wrote: > Let me apologize to the family for my poor mother. Her age is clearly > affecting her sight and her ability to read the _years_ in dates. > > -jbn > > On Jul 19, 2004, at 12:02 PM, June Newman wrote: > >> Dan, I'm puzzled by this reference to Myers' confirmation on July 12. >> A search of news articles finds umpteen that say the debate is today >> and the vote tomorrow. But that does not relate to his >> qualifications. Gail Norton is not a good spokesman for >> environmental issues. Are you serious when you imply that what >> environmentalists oppose, you support? June >> >> >> On Jul 19, 2004, at 9:36 AM, Owen, Dan wrote: >> >>> June, >>> A quick internet search uncovered the attached recommendation from >>> the Interior Secretary for Mr.. Myers.? It appears he is qualified >>> for the job and has worked the issues for many years.??He is opposed >>> by numerous environmental groups.? The mere fact that they do not >>> like him?brings me comfort.? How's that for a different bias. ha ha >>> ha? >>> Dan O................... >>> ? >>> >>> Office of the Secretary >>> For Immediate Release: July 13,2001 >>> >>> Contact: Stephanie Hanna (202) 208-6416 >>> >>> >>> Secretary Norton Praises Senate Action Confirming >>> William Myers as Solicitor for the Interior Department >>> (WASHINGTON) - Interior Secretary Gale Norton today praised the U.S. >>> Senate for voting to confirm William G. Myers III to serve as >>> Solicitor for the Department of the Interior. Myers was nominated by >>> President Bush in April and confirmed by the Senate on July 12. >>> >>> "Bill Myers is going to be a great asset and an important member of >>> my leadership team," Secretary Norton said. "His legal career >>> provides enormous experience in seeking and expanding common ground >>> on public land issues. I know Bill's wisdom will be invaluable in >>> resolving the many complex issues facing the Interior Department as >>> we seek to conserve our natural heritage, provide a secure energy >>> future for Americans in an environmentally sound manner, and meet >>> our responsibilities toward American Indians and Native Alaskans." >>> >>> "I am honored by the opportunity to serve the President and the >>> Secretary," Myers said. "I look forward to joining the team at the >>> Interior Department and undertaking the important work of the >>> American people." >>> >>> Myers is an attorney with Holland & Hart in Boise, Idaho. >>> Previously, Myers was executive director of the Public Lands Council >>> and director of federal lands for the National Cattlemen's Beef >>> Association. >>> >>> Myers was deputy general counsel for programs at the U.S. >>> Department of Energy from 1992 to 1993 and assistant to the United >>> States Attorney General from 1989 to 1992. Myers began his public >>> service career as legislative counsel to U.S. Senator Alan K. >>> Simpson (R-WY) in 1985. >>> >>> Myers is the chairman of the Idaho Federal Lands Working Group, past >>> vice chairman of the public lands committee for the American Bar >>> Association's Environment, Energy and Resources section, and >>> chairman of the state affairs and natural resources committee of the >>> Boise Area Chamber of Commerce. >>> >>> Myers earned a B.A. from the College of William and Mary in 1977, >>> and a J.D. from the University of Denver College of Law in 1981. >>> Myers is admitted to practice in the United States Supreme Court, >>> the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Ninth and Tenth Circuits, and >>> state and federal courts in Idaho, Colorado, Wyoming, and the >>> District of Columbia. >>> The Solicitor is the general counsel for the Department of the >>> Interior. The Solicitor represents the Department in administrative >>> and judicial litigation, and in meetings, negotiations, and other >>> contacts with Congress, Federal agencies, States, Tribes, interest >>> groups, and the public. The Solicitor drafts and reviews >>> legislation, regulations, contracts, leases, permits, and legal >>> correspondence for the Department. >>> >>> >>> -DOI- >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: owen-bounces@owenconnections.com >>> [mailto:owen-bounces@owenconnections.com]On Behalf Of June Newman >>> Sent: Monday, July 19, 2004 9:45 AM >>> To: owen@owenconnections.com >>> Subject: [owen] William G. Myers III >>> >>> The Senate is expected to debate and vote on confirmation of this >>> Bush nominee. What follows came from Bush greenwatch, an >>> organization committed to making folks aware of environmental issues >>> and Bush's stand on them. It has a bias. Can one of you make a >>> convincing argument with a different bias? June >>> >>> >>> William G. Myers III, formerly a top lobbyist for the beef and >>> mining industries, has been nominated by President Bush for a seat >>> on the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals. Perhaps the nation's most >>> significant appeals court when it comes to environmental precedents, >>> the 9th Circuit covers nine western states which include some 489 >>> million acres of federal public lands. >>> >>> >>> After serving two years as the solicitor (top lawyer) for President >>> Bush's Interior Department, Myers stepped down amid a departmental >>> investigation of his allegedly giving illegal favors to a >>> politically connected Wyoming rancher. [1] >>> >>> >>> Myers, who has never participated in a jury trial, nor been a judge >>> at any level, was rated "not qualified" by over one-third of the >>> American Bar Association's standing committee on the federal >>> judiciary. Not one member gave him a "well qualified" rating. [2] >>> Myers is opposed by an unprecedented coalition of some 180 tribal >>> leaders, conservation groups, labor and civil rights organizations. >>> For the first time in its 68-year history, the conservative National >>> Wildlife Federation chose to oppose a president's judicial nominee. >>> >>> >>> The reasons for such intense opposition are not hard to find. Myers >>> has argued in court that the Clean Water Act and the Endangered >>> Species Act are unconstitutional, and that there is no >>> constitutional basis for the U.S. government to protect wetlands. He >>> has compared management of the public's federal lands to "the >>> tyrannical actions of King George in levying taxes" on the American >>> colonies. [3] >>> >>> >>> In one of his two formal opinions as solicitor at Interior, Myers >>> argued that the Bureau of Land Management does not have the >>> authority to prevent undue degradation of public lands resulting >>> from mining operations. >>> >>> >>> Tex Hall, chairman of the National Congress of American Indians, >>> wrote last March in the Billings (Montana) Gazette that Myers >>> "orchestrated a rollback of protections for sacred native sites on >>> public lands, although such places have been central to the free >>> exercise of religion for many American Indians for centuries." [4] >>> This was a case in which Myers interpreted a federal statute to >>> favor the mining industry at the expense of Native Americans, >>> despite specific Congressional language to prevent undue damage to >>> public land. >>> >>> >>> Newspaper editorials in the western states covered by the Ninth >>> Circuit have been less than enthusiastic. Myers' hometown [Boise] >>> Idaho Statesman said Myers "sounds less like an attorney and more >>> like an apologist for his old friends in the cattle industry." [5] >>> >>> >>> In an editorial entitled "Unfit to Judge," Tucson's Arizona Daily >>> Star asserted that "Myers' chief qualification for the job rests not >>> in his legal acumen but in the fact that his anti-environmental >>> views match those of the president." The Star went on to describe >>> Myers as "a person who sees no connection between environmental >>> policy and the health of the nation's natural resources." [6] >>> >>> >>> The San Francisco Chronicle was more blunt: "One of President >>> Bush's worst nominations" with a "long record of ideological >>> extremism" and "open hostility to environmental protection." [7] >>> >>> >>> When a Myers article warning that "environmentalists...are bent on >>> stopping human activity whenever it may promote health, safety, and >>> welfare" was noted in his Senate Judiciary Committee hearing, Sen. >>> Charles Schumer (D-NY) reminded Myers that "the cases you were >>> discussing" involved logging on national forests, racial >>> discrimination in the siting of waste treatment plants, and >>> protection of irrigation canals from toxic chemicals." [8] >>> >>> >>> The Idaho Statesman may have caught the spirit of President Bush's >>> choice best when it quoted John Falen, former president of the >>> Nevada Cattlemen's Association: "Bill's our friend," said Falen. >>> "It's been a long time since we had a friend in the solicitor's >>> office." [9] >>> >>> >>> >>> ### >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Owen mailing list >>> Owen@owenconnections.com >>> https://my.binhost.com/lists/listinfo/owen >>> Full archives at: http://archives.binhost.com/~owen >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Owen mailing list >> Owen@owenconnections.com >> https://my.binhost.com/lists/listinfo/owen >> Full archives at: http://archives.binhost.com/~owen >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Owen mailing list > Owen@owenconnections.com > https://my.binhost.com/lists/listinfo/owen > Full archives at: http://archives.binhost.com/~owen > > From june at binhost.com Mon Jul 19 17:29:53 2004 From: june at binhost.com (June Newman) Date: Thu Mar 24 11:51:06 2005 Subject: [owen] William G. Myers III In-Reply-To: <805AC326445AED4B907F72E6CDB5D763430F7B@tnetexchange.corp.wcvt.com> References: <805AC326445AED4B907F72E6CDB5D763430F7B@tnetexchange.corp.wcvt.com> Message-ID: Dan, email doesn't communicate onery grins very well. And my sense of humor doesn't operate very well in matters of the Bush administration and environmental issues. I'm trying to get a floor sanded and painted tonight, so I can head back to Lawrence tomorrow and pack to move. So I should unplug this machine altogether. I plan to find time later to reply to your concerns, because I can't look up specific info now. One thing I'd like you to do, however, is see if you can find how much oil reserve is estimated by geologists to be in our Arctic regions. How long would it last us, at current consumption rates if we mined every drop of it? The numbers I've seen are pitifully little, at a high cost. I think gasoline produced from depletable resources should be expensive. But we should be putting a lot of money and creativity into alternative, renewable energy, along with a reduction in consumption. Land in private ownership, with few exceptions, gets developed. Period. Will we develop all of it before we stop and control population growth and pavement of the land? June On Jul 19, 2004, at 1:14 PM, Owen, Dan wrote: > June, > I am aware that Gail Norton is disliked by most environmental groups. > That is why I posted her recommendation, I thought you would get a > kick out of it:) I am not familiar with the Myers confirmation timing > or the details surrounding it so I truly do not have an informed > position or understand why the posting has incorrect dates. I would > say that just because Myers has represented industry interests does > not make him a bad person or a poor choice. Seems to me an industry > perspective is often represented in a poor light and yes, I often > question environmentalists positions. I support some and oppose > others. I am often involved in acquiring permits for > telecommunication facilities and I can tell you from my experience > that simple issues have been made expensive and litigious by > environmentalists. Few people want trees trimmed until a branch is > knocked down in an ice or wind storm and folks are without power and > phone. Then they want you to clear cut the right-of-way. Many > complain about poor cell phone coverage but fight tooth and nail when > you want to erect an antenna tower. We complain about $2.00 a gallon > gas and the strangle hold OPEC has on us but refuse to open up our own > oil reserves in the Artic. Most desire cheap power but fight nuclear > power plants. In Vermont we continue to remove land from the tax > roles and place it under public ownership where it can't be used. > Vicky and I lived in Alaska for a long time and that State is almost > entirely government owned. Environmentalist push for public land > ownership and then want to restrict the harvesting of the natural > resources from that land. Seems to me we need balance in the Interior > Department. If Myers is a little right of center chances are he is > more than off-set by others in that department who are left of center. > Love you all Dan O............ > > -----Original Message----- > From: owen-bounces@owenconnections.com > [mailto:owen-bounces@owenconnections.com]On Behalf Of June Newman > Sent: Monday, July 19, 2004 12:02 PM > To: owen@owenconnections.com > Subject: Re: [owen] William G. Myers III > > > Dan, I'm puzzled by this reference to Myers' confirmation on July 12. > A search of news articles finds umpteen that say the debate is today > and the vote tomorrow. But that does not relate to his qualifications. > Gail Norton is not a good spokesman for environmental issues. Are > you > serious when you imply that what environmentalists oppose, you support? > June > > > On Jul 19, 2004, at 9:36 AM, Owen, Dan wrote: > >> June, >> A quick internet search uncovered the attached recommendation from the >> Interior Secretary for Mr.. Myers.? It appears he is qualified for the >> job and has worked the issues for many years.??He is opposed by >> numerous environmental groups.? The mere fact that they do not like >> him?brings me comfort.? How's that for a different bias. ha ha ha? >> Dan O................... >> ? >> >> Office of the Secretary >> For Immediate Release: July 13,2001 >> >> Contact: Stephanie Hanna (202) 208-6416 >> >> >> Secretary Norton Praises Senate Action Confirming >> William Myers as Solicitor for the Interior Department >> (WASHINGTON) - Interior Secretary Gale Norton today praised the U.S. >> Senate for voting to confirm William G. Myers III to serve as >> Solicitor for the Department of the Interior. Myers was nominated by >> President Bush in April and confirmed by the Senate on July 12. >> >> "Bill Myers is going to be a great asset and an important member of my >> leadership team," Secretary Norton said. "His legal career provides >> enormous experience in seeking and expanding common ground on public >> land issues. I know Bill's wisdom will be invaluable in resolving the >> many complex issues facing the Interior Department as we seek to >> conserve our natural heritage, provide a secure energy future for >> Americans in an environmentally sound manner, and meet our >> responsibilities toward American Indians and Native Alaskans." >> >> "I am honored by the opportunity to serve the President and the >> Secretary," Myers said. "I look forward to joining the team at the >> Interior Department and undertaking the important work of the American >> people." >> >> Myers is an attorney with Holland & Hart in Boise, Idaho. Previously, >> Myers was executive director of the Public Lands Council and director >> of federal lands for the National Cattlemen's Beef Association. >> >> Myers was deputy general counsel for programs at the U.S. Department >> of Energy from 1992 to 1993 and assistant to the United States >> Attorney General from 1989 to 1992. Myers began his public service >> career as legislative counsel to U.S. Senator Alan K. Simpson (R-WY) >> in 1985. >> >> Myers is the chairman of the Idaho Federal Lands Working Group, past >> vice chairman of the public lands committee for the American Bar >> Association's Environment, Energy and Resources section, and chairman >> of the state affairs and natural resources committee of the Boise Area >> Chamber of Commerce. >> >> Myers earned a B.A. from the College of William and Mary in 1977, and >> a J.D. from the University of Denver College of Law in 1981. Myers is >> admitted to practice in the United States Supreme Court, the U.S. >> Court of Appeals for the Ninth and Tenth Circuits, and state and >> federal courts in Idaho, Colorado, Wyoming, and the District of >> Columbia. >> The Solicitor is the general counsel for the Department of the >> Interior. The Solicitor represents the Department in administrative >> and judicial litigation, and in meetings, negotiations, and other >> contacts with Congress, Federal agencies, States, Tribes, interest >> groups, and the public. The Solicitor drafts and reviews legislation, >> regulations, contracts, leases, permits, and legal correspondence for >> the Department. >> >> >> -DOI- >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owen-bounces@owenconnections.com >> [mailto:owen-bounces@owenconnections.com]On Behalf Of June Newman >> Sent: Monday, July 19, 2004 9:45 AM >> To: owen@owenconnections.com >> Subject: [owen] William G. Myers III >> >> The Senate is expected to debate and vote on confirmation of this Bush >> nominee. What follows came from Bush greenwatch, an organization >> committed to making folks aware of environmental issues and Bush's >> stand on them. It has a bias. Can one of you make a convincing >> argument with a different bias? June >> >> >> William G. Myers III, formerly a top lobbyist for the beef and mining >> industries, has been nominated by President Bush for a seat on the 9th >> Circuit Court of Appeals. Perhaps the nation's most significant >> appeals court when it comes to environmental precedents, the 9th >> Circuit covers nine western states which include some 489 million >> acres of federal public lands. >> >> >> After serving two years as the solicitor (top lawyer) for President >> Bush's Interior Department, Myers stepped down amid a departmental >> investigation of his allegedly giving illegal favors to a politically >> connected Wyoming rancher. [1] >> >> >> Myers, who has never participated in a jury trial, nor been a judge >> at any level, was rated "not qualified" by over one-third of the >> American Bar Association's standing committee on the federal >> judiciary. Not one member gave him a "well qualified" rating. [2] >> Myers is opposed by an unprecedented coalition of some 180 tribal >> leaders, conservation groups, labor and civil rights organizations. >> For the first time in its 68-year history, the conservative National >> Wildlife Federation chose to oppose a president's judicial nominee. >> >> >> The reasons for such intense opposition are not hard to find. Myers >> has argued in court that the Clean Water Act and the Endangered >> Species Act are unconstitutional, and that there is no constitutional >> basis for the U.S. government to protect wetlands. He has compared >> management of the public's federal lands to "the tyrannical actions of >> King George in levying taxes" on the American colonies. [3] >> >> >> In one of his two formal opinions as solicitor at Interior, Myers >> argued that the Bureau of Land Management does not have the authority >> to prevent undue degradation of public lands resulting from mining >> operations. >> >> >> Tex Hall, chairman of the National Congress of American Indians, >> wrote last March in the Billings (Montana) Gazette that Myers >> "orchestrated a rollback of protections for sacred native sites on >> public lands, although such places have been central to the free >> exercise of religion for many American Indians for centuries." [4] >> This was a case in which Myers interpreted a federal statute to favor >> the mining industry at the expense of Native Americans, despite >> specific Congressional language to prevent undue damage to public >> land. >> >> >> Newspaper editorials in the western states covered by the Ninth >> Circuit have been less than enthusiastic. Myers' hometown [Boise] >> Idaho Statesman said Myers "sounds less like an attorney and more like >> an apologist for his old friends in the cattle industry." [5] >> >> >> In an editorial entitled "Unfit to Judge," Tucson's Arizona Daily >> Star asserted that "Myers' chief qualification for the job rests not >> in his legal acumen but in the fact that his anti-environmental views >> match those of the president." The Star went on to describe Myers as >> "a person who sees no connection between environmental policy and the >> health of the nation's natural resources." [6] >> >> >> The San Francisco Chronicle was more blunt: "One of President Bush's >> worst nominations" with a "long record of ideological extremism" and >> "open hostility to environmental protection." [7] >> >> >> When a Myers article warning that "environmentalists...are bent on >> stopping human activity whenever it may promote health, safety, and >> welfare" was noted in his Senate Judiciary Committee hearing, Sen. >> Charles Schumer (D-NY) reminded Myers that "the cases you were >> discussing" involved logging on national forests, racial >> discrimination in the siting of waste treatment plants, and protection >> of irrigation canals from toxic chemicals." [8] >> >> >> The Idaho Statesman may have caught the spirit of President Bush's >> choice best when it quoted John Falen, former president of the Nevada >> Cattlemen's Association: "Bill's our friend," said Falen. "It's been a >> long time since we had a friend in the solicitor's office." [9] >> >> >> >> ### >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Owen mailing list >> Owen@owenconnections.com >> https://my.binhost.com/lists/listinfo/owen >> Full archives at: http://archives.binhost.com/~owen > > _______________________________________________ > Owen mailing list > Owen@owenconnections.com > https://my.binhost.com/lists/listinfo/owen > Full archives at: http://archives.binhost.com/~owen > > _______________________________________________ > Owen mailing list > Owen@owenconnections.com > https://my.binhost.com/lists/listinfo/owen > Full archives at: http://archives.binhost.com/~owen > > From bowen at netset.com Mon Jul 19 21:47:28 2004 From: bowen at netset.com (Beatrice Owen) Date: Thu Mar 24 11:51:06 2005 Subject: [owen] William G. Myers III Message-ID: <01C46DDA.01A4EB60.bowen@netset.com> June - I know you asked Dan, but it piqued my interest. According to an assessment conducted by the US Geological Survey (USGS) in 1998 there are between 5.7 and 16 billion barrels of oil in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge. National Geographic's June issue headlines with "The End of Cheap Oil." I recommend the issue; the lead article is a very interesting and informative. According to the article, "There's no global shortage yet; far from it. The world can still produce so much crude that the current price of about $30 for a 42 gallon barrel would plummet if the Organization of the Petroleum Exporting Countires (OPEC) did not limit prodcution. This abundance of oil means, for now, that oil is cheap. In the United States, where gasoline taxes average 43 cents a gallon (instead of dollars, as in Europe and Japan) a gallon of gasoline can be cheaper than a bottle of water - making it too cheap for most people to bother conserving. While oil demand is up everywhere, the U.S. remains the king of consumers, slurping up a quarter of the world's oil - about three gallons a person every day - even though it has just 5 percent of the population." The U.S. consumes 7,191,000,000 barrels a year. Using that figure it would take us between 10 months and 2 years to use up all of the reserves in the ANWR. Three gallons of oil a person every day - wow, that's dependence! love, beatrice -----Original Message----- From: June Newman [SMTP:june@binhost.com] Sent: Monday, July 19, 2004 5:30 PM To: owen@owenconnections.com Subject: Re: [owen] William G. Myers III Dan, email doesn't communicate onery grins very well. And my sense of humor doesn't operate very well in matters of the Bush administration and environmental issues. I'm trying to get a floor sanded and painted tonight, so I can head back to Lawrence tomorrow and pack to move. So I should unplug this machine altogether. I plan to find time later to reply to your concerns, because I can't look up specific info now. One thing I'd like you to do, however, is see if you can find how much oil reserve is estimated by geologists to be in our Arctic regions. How long would it last us, at current consumption rates if we mined every drop of it? The numbers I've seen are pitifully little, at a high cost. I think gasoline produced from depletable resources should be expensive. But we should be putting a lot of money and creativity into alternative, renewable energy, along with a reduction in consumption. Land in private ownership, with few exceptions, gets developed. Period. Will we develop all of it before we stop and control population growth and pavement of the land? June On Jul 19, 2004, at 1:14 PM, Owen, Dan wrote: > June, > I am aware that Gail Norton is disliked by most environmental groups. > That is why I posted her recommendation, I thought you would get a > kick out of it:) I am not familiar with the Myers confirmation timing > or the details surrounding it so I truly do not have an informed > position or understand why the posting has incorrect dates. I would > say that just because Myers has represented industry interests does > not make him a bad person or a poor choice. Seems to me an industry > perspective is often represented in a poor light and yes, I often > question environmentalists positions. I support some and oppose > others. I am often involved in acquiring permits for > telecommunication facilities and I can tell you from my experience > that simple issues have been made expensive and litigious by > environmentalists. Few people want trees trimmed until a branch is > knocked down in an ice or wind storm and folks are without power and > phone. Then they want you to clear cut the right-of-way. Many > complain about poor cell phone coverage but fight tooth and nail when > you want to erect an antenna tower. We complain about $2.00 a gallon > gas and the strangle hold OPEC has on us but refuse to open up our own > oil reserves in the Artic. Most desire cheap power but fight nuclear > power plants. In Vermont we continue to remove land from the tax > roles and place it under public ownership where it can't be used. > Vicky and I lived in Alaska for a long time and that State is almost > entirely government owned. Environmentalist push for public land > ownership and then want to restrict the harvesting of the natural > resources from that land. Seems to me we need balance in the Interior > Department. If Myers is a little right of center chances are he is > more than off-set by others in that department who are left of center. > Love you all Dan O............ > > -----Original Message----- > From: owen-bounces@owenconnections.com > [mailto:owen-bounces@owenconnections.com]On Behalf Of June Newman > Sent: Monday, July 19, 2004 12:02 PM > To: owen@owenconnections.com > Subject: Re: [owen] William G. Myers III > > > Dan, I'm puzzled by this reference to Myers' confirmation on July 12. > A search of news articles finds umpteen that say the debate is today > and the vote tomorrow. But that does not relate to his qualifications. > Gail Norton is not a good spokesman for environmental issues. Are > you > serious when you imply that what environmentalists oppose, you support? > June > > > On Jul 19, 2004, at 9:36 AM, Owen, Dan wrote: > >> June, >> A quick internet search uncovered the attached recommendation from the >> Interior Secretary for Mr.. Myers. It appears he is qualified for the >> job and has worked the issues for many years. He is opposed by >> numerous environmental groups. The mere fact that they do not like >> him brings me comfort. How's that for a different bias. ha ha ha >> Dan O................... >> >> >> Office of the Secretary >> For Immediate Release: July 13,2001 >> >> Contact: Stephanie Hanna (202) 208-6416 >> >> >> Secretary Norton Praises Senate Action Confirming >> William Myers as Solicitor for the Interior Department >> (WASHINGTON) - Interior Secretary Gale Norton today praised the U.S. >> Senate for voting to confirm William G. Myers III to serve as >> Solicitor for the Department of the Interior. Myers was nominated by >> President Bush in April and confirmed by the Senate on July 12. >> >> "Bill Myers is going to be a great asset and an important member of my >> leadership team," Secretary Norton said. "His legal career provides >> enormous experience in seeking and expanding common ground on public >> land issues. I know Bill's wisdom will be invaluable in resolving the >> many complex issues facing the Interior Department as we seek to >> conserve our natural heritage, provide a secure energy future for >> Americans in an environmentally sound manner, and meet our >> responsibilities toward American Indians and Native Alaskans." >> >> "I am honored by the opportunity to serve the President and the >> Secretary," Myers said. "I look forward to joining the team at the >> Interior Department and undertaking the important work of the American >> people." >> >> Myers is an attorney with Holland & Hart in Boise, Idaho. Previously, >> Myers was executive director of the Public Lands Council and director >> of federal lands for the National Cattlemen's Beef Association. >> >> Myers was deputy general counsel for programs at the U.S. Department >> of Energy from 1992 to 1993 and assistant to the United States >> Attorney General from 1989 to 1992. Myers began his public service >> career as legislative counsel to U.S. Senator Alan K. Simpson (R-WY) >> in 1985. >> >> Myers is the chairman of the Idaho Federal Lands Working Group, past >> vice chairman of the public lands committee for the American Bar >> Association's Environment, Energy and Resources section, and chairman >> of the state affairs and natural resources committee of the Boise Area >> Chamber of Commerce. >> >> Myers earned a B.A. from the College of William and Mary in 1977, and >> a J.D. from the University of Denver College of Law in 1981. Myers is >> admitted to practice in the United States Supreme Court, the U.S. >> Court of Appeals for the Ninth and Tenth Circuits, and state and >> federal courts in Idaho, Colorado, Wyoming, and the District of >> Columbia. >> The Solicitor is the general counsel for the Department of the >> Interior. The Solicitor represents the Department in administrative >> and judicial litigation, and in meetings, negotiations, and other >> contacts with Congress, Federal agencies, States, Tribes, interest >> groups, and the public. The Solicitor drafts and reviews legislation, >> regulations, contracts, leases, permits, and legal correspondence for >> the Department. >> >> >> -DOI- >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owen-bounces@owenconnections.com >> [mailto:owen-bounces@owenconnections.com]On Behalf Of June Newman >> Sent: Monday, July 19, 2004 9:45 AM >> To: owen@owenconnections.com >> Subject: [owen] William G. Myers III >> >> The Senate is expected to debate and vote on confirmation of this Bush >> nominee. What follows came from Bush greenwatch, an organization >> committed to making folks aware of environmental issues and Bush's >> stand on them. It has a bias. Can one of you make a convincing >> argument with a different bias? June >> >> >> William G. Myers III, formerly a top lobbyist for the beef and mining >> industries, has been nominated by President Bush for a seat on the 9th >> Circuit Court of Appeals. Perhaps the nation's most significant >> appeals court when it comes to environmental precedents, the 9th >> Circuit covers nine western states which include some 489 million >> acres of federal public lands. >> >> >> After serving two years as the solicitor (top lawyer) for President >> Bush's Interior Department, Myers stepped down amid a departmental >> investigation of his allegedly giving illegal favors to a politically >> connected Wyoming rancher. [1] >> >> >> Myers, who has never participated in a jury trial, nor been a judge >> at any level, was rated "not qualified" by over one-third of the >> American Bar Association's standing committee on the federal >> judiciary. Not one member gave him a "well qualified" rating. [2] >> Myers is opposed by an unprecedented coalition of some 180 tribal >> leaders, conservation groups, labor and civil rights organizations. >> For the first time in its 68-year history, the conservative National >> Wildlife Federation chose to oppose a president's judicial nominee. >> >> >> The reasons for such intense opposition are not hard to find. Myers >> has argued in court that the Clean Water Act and the Endangered >> Species Act are unconstitutional, and that there is no constitutional >> basis for the U.S. government to protect wetlands. He has compared >> management of the public's federal lands to "the tyrannical actions of >> King George in levying taxes" on the American colonies. [3] >> >> >> In one of his two formal opinions as solicitor at Interior, Myers >> argued that the Bureau of Land Management does not have the authority >> to prevent undue degradation of public lands resulting from mining >> operations. >> >> >> Tex Hall, chairman of the National Congress of American Indians, >> wrote last March in the Billings (Montana) Gazette that Myers >> "orchestrated a rollback of protections for sacred native sites on >> public lands, although such places have been central to the free >> exercise of religion for many American Indians for centuries." [4] >> This was a case in which Myers interpreted a federal statute to favor >> the mining industry at the expense of Native Americans, despite >> specific Congressional language to prevent undue damage to public >> land. >> >> >> Newspaper editorials in the western states covered by the Ninth >> Circuit have been less than enthusiastic. Myers' hometown [Boise] >> Idaho Statesman said Myers "sounds less like an attorney and more like >> an apologist for his old friends in the cattle industry." [5] >> >> >> In an editorial entitled "Unfit to Judge," Tucson's Arizona Daily >> Star asserted that "Myers' chief qualification for the job rests not >> in his legal acumen but in the fact that his anti-environmental views >> match those of the president." The Star went on to describe Myers as >> "a person who sees no connection between environmental policy and the >> health of the nation's natural resources." [6] >> >> >> The San Francisco Chronicle was more blunt: "One of President Bush's >> worst nominations" with a "long record of ideological extremism" and >> "open hostility to environmental protection." [7] >> >> >> When a Myers article warning that "environmentalists...are bent on >> stopping human activity whenever it may promote health, safety, and >> welfare" was noted in his Senate Judiciary Committee hearing, Sen. >> Charles Schumer (D-NY) reminded Myers that "the cases you were >> discussing" involved logging on national forests, racial >> discrimination in the siting of waste treatment plants, and protection >> of irrigation canals from toxic chemicals." [8] >> >> >> The Idaho Statesman may have caught the spirit of President Bush's >> choice best when it quoted John Falen, former president of the Nevada >> Cattlemen's Association: "Bill's our friend," said Falen. "It's been a >> long time since we had a friend in the solicitor's office." [9] >> >> >> >> ### >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Owen mailing list >> Owen@owenconnections.com >> https://my.binhost.com/lists/listinfo/owen >> Full archives at: http://archives.binhost.com/~owen > > _______________________________________________ > Owen mailing list > Owen@owenconnections.com > https://my.binhost.com/lists/listinfo/owen > Full archives at: http://archives.binhost.com/~owen > > _______________________________________________ > Owen mailing list > Owen@owenconnections.com > https://my.binhost.com/lists/listinfo/owen > Full archives at: http://archives.binhost.com/~owen > > _______________________________________________ Owen mailing list Owen@owenconnections.com https://my.binhost.com/lists/listinfo/owen Full archives at: http://archives.binhost.com/~owen From june at binhost.com Mon Jul 19 22:12:41 2004 From: june at binhost.com (June Newman) Date: Thu Mar 24 11:51:06 2005 Subject: [owen] William G. Myers III In-Reply-To: <01C46DDA.01A4EB60.bowen@netset.com> References: <01C46DDA.01A4EB60.bowen@netset.com> Message-ID: <47634F27-D9F2-11D8-9327-000A95C48E6C@binhost.com> Thanks Beatrice!! Can't wait to see you! June On Jul 19, 2004, at 8:47 PM, Beatrice Owen wrote: > June - I know you asked Dan, but it piqued my interest. According to > an > assessment conducted by the US Geological Survey (USGS) in 1998 there > are > between 5.7 and 16 billion barrels of oil in the Arctic National > Wildlife > Refuge. National Geographic's June issue headlines with "The End of > Cheap > Oil." I recommend the issue; the lead article is a very interesting > and > informative. According to the article, > "There's no global shortage yet; far from it. The world can still > produce > so much crude that the current price of about $30 for a 42 gallon > barrel > would plummet if the Organization of the Petroleum Exporting Countires > (OPEC) did not limit prodcution. This abundance of oil means, for now, > that oil is cheap. In the United States, where gasoline taxes average > 43 > cents a gallon (instead of dollars, as in Europe and Japan) a gallon of > gasoline can be cheaper than a bottle of water - making it too cheap > for > most people to bother conserving. While oil demand is up everywhere, > the > U.S. remains the king of consumers, slurping up a quarter of the > world's > oil - about three gallons a person every day - even though it has just > 5 > percent of the population." > > The U.S. consumes 7,191,000,000 barrels a year. Using that figure it > would > take us between 10 months and 2 years to use up all of the reserves in > the > ANWR. > > Three gallons of oil a person every day - wow, that's dependence! > > love, > beatrice > > -----Original Message----- > From: June Newman [SMTP:june@binhost.com] > Sent: Monday, July 19, 2004 5:30 PM > To: owen@owenconnections.com > Subject: Re: [owen] William G. Myers III > > Dan, email doesn't communicate onery grins very well. And my sense of > humor doesn't operate very well in matters of the Bush administration > and environmental issues. I'm trying to get a floor sanded and painted > tonight, so I can head back to Lawrence tomorrow and pack to move. So > I should unplug this machine altogether. I plan to find time later to > reply to your concerns, because I can't look up specific info now. One > thing I'd like you to do, however, is see if you can find how much oil > reserve is estimated by geologists to be in our Arctic regions. How > long would it last us, at current consumption rates if we mined every > drop of it? The numbers I've seen are pitifully little, at a high > cost. I think gasoline produced from depletable resources should be > expensive. But we should be putting a lot of money and creativity into > alternative, renewable energy, along with a reduction in consumption. > Land in private ownership, with few exceptions, gets developed. > Period. Will we develop all of it before we stop and control > population growth and pavement of the land? June From rowen1 at triad.rr.com Mon Jul 19 22:40:45 2004 From: rowen1 at triad.rr.com (Roger Owen) Date: Thu Mar 24 11:51:06 2005 Subject: [owen] golf References: <003801c46dc4$ae58f6a0$6401a8c0@attbi.com> Message-ID: <003801c46e02$f5ba6540$6401a8c0@RogerOwen> got it! thanks! ----- Original Message ----- From: beth haschke To: owen family Sent: Monday, July 19, 2004 3:14 PM Subject: [owen] golf Roger, We have had a change of plans and Richie will not be able to golf. Let me know if you get this message!!!!! Love ya, Beth ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Owen mailing list Owen@owenconnections.com https://my.binhost.com/lists/listinfo/owen Full archives at: http://archives.binhost.com/~owen -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://my.binhost.com/pipermail/owen/attachments/20040719/b7fea63d/attachment.htm From Dowen at wcvt.com Tue Jul 20 07:25:09 2004 From: Dowen at wcvt.com (Owen, Dan) Date: Thu Mar 24 11:51:06 2005 Subject: [owen] William G. Myers III Message-ID: <805AC326445AED4B907F72E6CDB5D763430F7E@tnetexchange.corp.wcvt.com> Bea, Thanks for the info. I am no oil expert but the Artic oil reserves are not limited to ANWR. How much more oil are we sitting on in Alaska and other public lands in this country? Seems to me we should be prepared to use our own oil and cut our dependence on others. I wonder how many folks attending the reunion that think higher fuel prices are a good thing plan to travel using public transportation, car pool, walk, bicycles or alternative fuel vehicles in order to save the environment? Is America's high usage of oil a bad thing? Love you all Dan O.................... -----Original Message----- From: owen-bounces@owenconnections.com [mailto:owen-bounces@owenconnections.com]On Behalf Of June Newman Sent: Monday, July 19, 2004 10:13 PM To: owen@owenconnections.com Subject: Re: [owen] William G. Myers III Thanks Beatrice!! Can't wait to see you! June On Jul 19, 2004, at 8:47 PM, Beatrice Owen wrote: > June - I know you asked Dan, but it piqued my interest. According to > an > assessment conducted by the US Geological Survey (USGS) in 1998 there > are > between 5.7 and 16 billion barrels of oil in the Arctic National > Wildlife > Refuge. National Geographic's June issue headlines with "The End of > Cheap > Oil." I recommend the issue; the lead article is a very interesting > and > informative. According to the article, > "There's no global shortage yet; far from it. The world can still > produce > so much crude that the current price of about $30 for a 42 gallon > barrel > would plummet if the Organization of the Petroleum Exporting Countires > (OPEC) did not limit prodcution. This abundance of oil means, for now, > that oil is cheap. In the United States, where gasoline taxes average > 43 > cents a gallon (instead of dollars, as in Europe and Japan) a gallon of > gasoline can be cheaper than a bottle of water - making it too cheap > for > most people to bother conserving. While oil demand is up everywhere, > the > U.S. remains the king of consumers, slurping up a quarter of the > world's > oil - about three gallons a person every day - even though it has just > 5 > percent of the population." > > The U.S. consumes 7,191,000,000 barrels a year. Using that figure it > would > take us between 10 months and 2 years to use up all of the reserves in > the > ANWR. > > Three gallons of oil a person every day - wow, that's dependence! > > love, > beatrice > > -----Original Message----- > From: June Newman [SMTP:june@binhost.com] > Sent: Monday, July 19, 2004 5:30 PM > To: owen@owenconnections.com > Subject: Re: [owen] William G. Myers III > > Dan, email doesn't communicate onery grins very well. And my sense of > humor doesn't operate very well in matters of the Bush administration > and environmental issues. I'm trying to get a floor sanded and painted > tonight, so I can head back to Lawrence tomorrow and pack to move. So > I should unplug this machine altogether. I plan to find time later to > reply to your concerns, because I can't look up specific info now. One > thing I'd like you to do, however, is see if you can find how much oil > reserve is estimated by geologists to be in our Arctic regions. How > long would it last us, at current consumption rates if we mined every > drop of it? The numbers I've seen are pitifully little, at a high > cost. I think gasoline produced from depletable resources should be > expensive. But we should be putting a lot of money and creativity into > alternative, renewable energy, along with a reduction in consumption. > Land in private ownership, with few exceptions, gets developed. > Period. Will we develop all of it before we stop and control > population growth and pavement of the land? June _______________________________________________ Owen mailing list Owen@owenconnections.com https://my.binhost.com/lists/listinfo/owen Full archives at: http://archives.binhost.com/~owen From jowen at greenhills.net Tue Jul 20 09:11:37 2004 From: jowen at greenhills.net (Jack) Date: Thu Mar 24 11:51:06 2005 Subject: [owen] oil consumption Message-ID: <200407201155.i6KBtF7Y021117@ghlin4.greenhills.net> Good morning all from beautiful, green mid Missouri. Dan, personally i think it is awful that we are consuming oil as though there was no limit to what there is.I am not proud of the fact that i have wasted so much of our oil myself. There are some things that we really need oil for, that there are no known alternatives. We should have a crash program to come up with alternative, renewable energy. The Jack Owen family are carpooling to the reunion. Looking forward to seeing you all. Love you all Jack From the_ahs at hometownsolutions.net Tue Jul 20 08:45:09 2004 From: the_ahs at hometownsolutions.net (Arne & Athena Kildegaard) Date: Thu Mar 24 11:51:06 2005 Subject: [owen] public transport Message-ID: <40FD13D5.8050108@hometownsolutions.net> Hi Dan, I think higher fuel prices are a good thing. I will be traveling to the reunion via public transportation: I'll be flying. I considered driving, but higher fuel costs this summer made me choose flight. One of the things I admire Jimmy Carter for is the leadership role he took in teaching Americans how to cut down on energy usage. Of course, plum times came around again and many of us forgot how to be stewards. It's too bad that our president doesn't take such a role. I bet we could get a pretty nice list started here of ways we can cut our energy usage without also hurting the environment... 1. Buy local. If you buy the apple grown in the orchard down the road, the costs to transport it are considerably less than the cost of transporting the Fuji apple from New Zealand. 2. Buy bulk. Avoid purchasing overly wrapped products. 3. Cut down on processed foods. Do your own processing! Just a start. --Athena From howen at netvision.net.il Tue Jul 20 08:49:57 2004 From: howen at netvision.net.il (Homer Owen) Date: Thu Mar 24 11:51:06 2005 Subject: [owen] motives In-Reply-To: <001301c46dd0$217bc080$9989fea9@oemcomputer> Message-ID: on 7/19/04 11:36 PM, lawrence at klowen@hsnp.com wrote: Why did Eve eat the forbidden fruit? This is real easy because the Bible gives us the answer in one verse. ""When the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was a delight to the eyes, and that the tree was desirable to make one wise, she took from its fruit and ate; and she gave also to her husband with her, and he ate." (Genesis 3:6) Love, Homer > Homer -- > As I understand human actions, it is extremely difficult to pin down one > motive for an action. Mlulti8ple motives are at work in most of our actions. > I am not a reliable informant about my own motives. You might be able to > identify why I do something -- for example, why I continue to write > items for owenconnections. I can identify a number of motives, but that does > not > mean that I would be accurate or truthful or thorough. > > August Strindberg wrote a play called MISS JULIE in 1888. In a long preface > to the play Strindberg wrote about providing multiple motivations for the > actions > of his characters. Students found upwards of twenty answers to the question: > "Why does Miss Julie bed down with Jean?" > > Here's one that might be entertaining to readers of owenconnections. > Why Does Eve eat the forbidden fruit? > > Why did Bush order the American military to invade and conquer Iraq? > If you can't think up at least twenty answers, you're being lazy. > > Cheers -- Lawrence > > > > _______________________________________________ > Owen mailing list > Owen@owenconnections.com > https://my.binhost.com/lists/listinfo/owen > Full archives at: http://archives.binhost.com/~owen > From justin.newman at binhost.com Tue Jul 20 09:08:38 2004 From: justin.newman at binhost.com (Justin B. Newman) Date: Thu Mar 24 11:51:06 2005 Subject: [owen] public transport In-Reply-To: <40FD13D5.8050108@hometownsolutions.net> References: <40FD13D5.8050108@hometownsolutions.net> Message-ID: On Jul 20, 2004, at 8:45 AM, Arne & Athena Kildegaard wrote: > Hi Dan, > I think higher fuel prices are a good thing. I will be traveling to > the reunion via public transportation: I'll be flying. I considered > driving, but higher fuel costs this summer made me choose flight. > Athena, I've long questioned the assumption that airplanes as "public transportation" were conserving fuel. So, this morning I went looking for some numbers ... one way or the other. According to a U. of Michigan study[0], fuel consumption of different modes is as follows: - Boeing 747, 0.05688 km / liter - Public Bus, 1.9 km / liter - Private Auto, 10.6 km / liter With a capacity of 350 on the plane, 80 on the bus, and 5 in the car, and an occupancy of 80% for each, we can see: - Being 747, 15.93 pass. km / liter - Public Bus, 121 pass. km / liter - Private Auto, 42.4 pass. km / liter Now, given that (according to the study) an average US car is only occupied 24% (1.2 passengers), the private auto number will drop to 12.72 pass. km / liter, making an airplane slightly more efficient. So, using the numbers provided in the study, and my own calculations, if you can get 2 people in the car, you'll use less fuel than taking an airplane. Kinda depressing, actually. -jbn [0] - http://www-personal.engin.umich.edu/~murty/planetravel2/ planetravel2.html From klowen at hsnp.com Tue Jul 20 12:06:39 2004 From: klowen at hsnp.com (lawrence) Date: Thu Mar 24 11:51:06 2005 Subject: [owen] why eve ate Message-ID: <000c01c46e73$8c8c0ee0$9989fea9@oemcomputer> Homer -- Ten verses after the one you quote it says: Then the Lord God said to the woman, "What is this that you have done?" The woman said, "The serpent beguiled me, and I ate." There are some nice motives for eating in the serpent's words to Eve. Lawrence -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://my.binhost.com/pipermail/owen/attachments/20040720/43f444fd/attachment.htm From the_ahs at hometownsolutions.net Tue Jul 20 14:50:09 2004 From: the_ahs at hometownsolutions.net (Arne & Athena Kildegaard) Date: Thu Mar 24 11:51:06 2005 Subject: [owen] public transport In-Reply-To: References: <40FD13D5.8050108@hometownsolutions.net> Message-ID: <40FD6961.9000009@hometownsolutions.net> Hi Justin, Help me out here... Does "Private Auto, 42.4 pass. km / liter " mean 42.4 passenger kilometers per liter of gas? Then isn't that better than "Boeing 747, 15.93 pass. km / liter"? Anyway, if I were to drive I'd have to stay in motels where they wash towels and sheets after one use, vacuum after I leave, etc...using more energy. And I'd eat in restaurants where the energy consumption could be higher than if I eat at home (especially considering the fact that despite 91 degree heat here I haven't turned on the a/c yet.). There is no doubt that an energy efficient lifestyle is not always intuitive. One of the best oxymorons I've seen lately is a hybrid Hummer in the planning stages. Cheers, Athena Justin B.Newman wrote: > > On Jul 20, 2004, at 8:45 AM, Arne & Athena Kildegaard wrote: > >> Hi Dan, >> I think higher fuel prices are a good thing. I will be traveling to >> the reunion via public transportation: I'll be flying. I considered >> driving, but higher fuel costs this summer made me choose flight. >> > > Athena, > > I've long questioned the assumption that airplanes as "public > transportation" were conserving fuel. So, this morning I went > looking for some numbers ... one way or the other. > > According to a U. of Michigan study[0], fuel consumption of different > modes is as follows: > > - Boeing 747, 0.05688 km / liter > - Public Bus, 1.9 km / liter > - Private Auto, 10.6 km / liter > > With a capacity of 350 on the plane, 80 on the bus, and 5 in the car, > and an occupancy of 80% for each, we can see: > > - Being 747, 15.93 pass. km / liter > - Public Bus, 121 pass. km / liter > - Private Auto, 42.4 pass. km / liter > > Now, given that (according to the study) an average US car is only > occupied 24% (1.2 passengers), the private auto number will drop to > 12.72 pass. km / liter, making an airplane slightly more efficient. > > So, using the numbers provided in the study, and my own calculations, > if you can get 2 people in the car, you'll use less fuel than taking > an airplane. > > Kinda depressing, actually. > > -jbn > [0] - http://www-personal.engin.umich.edu/~murty/planetravel2/ > planetravel2.html > > _______________________________________________ > Owen mailing list > Owen@owenconnections.com > https://my.binhost.com/lists/listinfo/owen > Full archives at: http://archives.binhost.com/~owen > From justin.newman at binhost.com Tue Jul 20 15:01:44 2004 From: justin.newman at binhost.com (Justin B. Newman) Date: Thu Mar 24 11:51:06 2005 Subject: [owen] public transport In-Reply-To: <40FD6961.9000009@hometownsolutions.net> References: <40FD13D5.8050108@hometownsolutions.net> <40FD6961.9000009@hometownsolutions.net> Message-ID: <3DDAFE8D-DA7F-11D8-A2E6-000393A6F71A@binhost.com> On Jul 20, 2004, at 2:50 PM, Arne & Athena Kildegaard wrote: > Hi Justin, > Help me out here... > Does "Private Auto, 42.4 pass. km / liter " mean 42.4 passenger > kilometers per liter of gas? Then isn't that better than "Boeing 747, > 15.93 pass. km / liter"? Yes, if the car is occupied by 4 people (as that assumes). If the car is occupied by 1 person (or the statistical 1.2 people), you don't do so well. So for me, flying by my lonesome to the reunion, the airplane'll be less efficient. Alas. I wonder how efficient the train is? > There is no doubt that an energy efficient lifestyle is not always > intuitive. > One of the best oxymorons I've seen lately is a hybrid Hummer in the > planning stages. > A hybrid Hummer, eh? Nice. I'm currently shopping for a diesel pickup so I can run waste veggie oil in it. Looking forward to having my transportation smell like french fries... -jbn From joshbelbeck at comcast.net Tue Jul 20 15:15:11 2004 From: joshbelbeck at comcast.net (Josh Belbeck) Date: Thu Mar 24 11:51:06 2005 Subject: [owen] public transport In-Reply-To: <3DDAFE8D-DA7F-11D8-A2E6-000393A6F71A@binhost.com> Message-ID: Good idea Justin. I have thought about switching to bio-diesel if I ever buy a truck. There have been several articles recently on how to make your own fuel instead of having to locate a station. It's some pretty cool stuff for sure. Josh -----Original Message----- From: owen-bounces@owenconnections.com [mailto:owen-bounces@owenconnections.com] On Behalf Of Justin B. Newman Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2004 2:02 PM To: owen@owenconnections.com Subject: Re: [owen] public transport On Jul 20, 2004, at 2:50 PM, Arne & Athena Kildegaard wrote: > Hi Justin, > Help me out here... > Does "Private Auto, 42.4 pass. km / liter " mean 42.4 passenger > kilometers per liter of gas? Then isn't that better than "Boeing 747, > 15.93 pass. km / liter"? Yes, if the car is occupied by 4 people (as that assumes). If the car is occupied by 1 person (or the statistical 1.2 people), you don't do so well. So for me, flying by my lonesome to the reunion, the airplane'll be less efficient. Alas. I wonder how efficient the train is? > There is no doubt that an energy efficient lifestyle is not always > intuitive. > One of the best oxymorons I've seen lately is a hybrid Hummer in the > planning stages. > A hybrid Hummer, eh? Nice. I'm currently shopping for a diesel pickup so I can run waste veggie oil in it. Looking forward to having my transportation smell like french fries... -jbn _______________________________________________ Owen mailing list Owen@owenconnections.com https://my.binhost.com/lists/listinfo/owen Full archives at: http://archives.binhost.com/~owen From howen at netvision.net.il Tue Jul 20 16:32:13 2004 From: howen at netvision.net.il (Homer Owen) Date: Thu Mar 24 11:51:06 2005 Subject: [owen] why eve ate In-Reply-To: <000c01c46e73$8c8c0ee0$9989fea9@oemcomputer> Message-ID: on 7/20/04 7:06 PM, lawrence at klowen@hsnp.com wrote: Of course the real motive for Adam and Eve to eat of the tree was so they could be free from having to give an account to God of their daily actions. This is where self-centerness started or what we call humanism today. Love, Homer > Homer -- > Ten verses after the one you quote it says: > > Then the Lord God said to the woman, "What is this that you have done?" > The woman said, "The serpent beguiled me, and I ate." > > There are some nice motives for eating in the serpent's words to Eve. > > Lawrence > > _______________________________________________ > Owen mailing list > Owen@owenconnections.com > https://my.binhost.com/lists/listinfo/owen > Full archives at: http://archives.binhost.com/~owen > From bowen at netset.com Tue Jul 20 17:31:05 2004 From: bowen at netset.com (Beatrice Owen) Date: Thu Mar 24 11:51:06 2005 Subject: [owen] William G. Myers III Message-ID: <01C46E7F.CE413B60.bowen@netset.com> Dan - according to the article the U.S. produces 2,097,000,000 barrels a year and has a total of 22,677,000,000 available. For comparison Saudi Arabia (the largest reserve in the world) produces 2,500,000,000 per year and has 261,000,000,000 available. Demand is now at 80 millions barrels a day (worldwide). Oil production in the U.S. peaked in 1970. love, bea -----Original Message----- From: Owen, Dan [SMTP:Dowen@wcvt.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2004 7:25 AM To: owen@owenconnections.com Subject: RE: [owen] William G. Myers III Bea, Thanks for the info. I am no oil expert but the Artic oil reserves are not limited to ANWR. How much more oil are we sitting on in Alaska and other public lands in this country? Seems to me we should be prepared to use our own oil and cut our dependence on others. I wonder how many folks attending the reunion that think higher fuel prices are a good thing plan to travel using public transportation, car pool, walk, bicycles or alternative fuel vehicles in order to save the environment? Is America's high usage of oil a bad thing? Love you all Dan O.................... -----Original Message----- From: owen-bounces@owenconnections.com [mailto:owen-bounces@owenconnections.com]On Behalf Of June Newman Sent: Monday, July 19, 2004 10:13 PM To: owen@owenconnections.com Subject: Re: [owen] William G. Myers III Thanks Beatrice!! Can't wait to see you! June On Jul 19, 2004, at 8:47 PM, Beatrice Owen wrote: > June - I know you asked Dan, but it piqued my interest. According to > an > assessment conducted by the US Geological Survey (USGS) in 1998 there > are > between 5.7 and 16 billion barrels of oil in the Arctic National > Wildlife > Refuge. National Geographic's June issue headlines with "The End of > Cheap > Oil." I recommend the issue; the lead article is a very interesting > and > informative. According to the article, > "There's no global shortage yet; far from it. The world can still > produce > so much crude that the current price of about $30 for a 42 gallon > barrel > would plummet if the Organization of the Petroleum Exporting Countires > (OPEC) did not limit prodcution. This abundance of oil means, for now, > that oil is cheap. In the United States, where gasoline taxes average > 43 > cents a gallon (instead of dollars, as in Europe and Japan) a gallon of > gasoline can be cheaper than a bottle of water - making it too cheap > for > most people to bother conserving. While oil demand is up everywhere, > the > U.S. remains the king of consumers, slurping up a quarter of the > world's > oil - about three gallons a person every day - even though it has just > 5 > percent of the population." > > The U.S. consumes 7,191,000,000 barrels a year. Using that figure it > would > take us between 10 months and 2 years to use up all of the reserves in > the > ANWR. > > Three gallons of oil a person every day - wow, that's dependence! > > love, > beatrice > > -----Original Message----- > From: June Newman [SMTP:june@binhost.com] > Sent: Monday, July 19, 2004 5:30 PM > To: owen@owenconnections.com > Subject: Re: [owen] William G. Myers III > > Dan, email doesn't communicate onery grins very well. And my sense of > humor doesn't operate very well in matters of the Bush administration > and environmental issues. I'm trying to get a floor sanded and painted > tonight, so I can head back to Lawrence tomorrow and pack to move. So > I should unplug this machine altogether. I plan to find time later to > reply to your concerns, because I can't look up specific info now. One > thing I'd like you to do, however, is see if you can find how much oil > reserve is estimated by geologists to be in our Arctic regions. How > long would it last us, at current consumption rates if we mined every > drop of it? The numbers I've seen are pitifully little, at a high > cost. I think gasoline produced from depletable resources should be > expensive. But we should be putting a lot of money and creativity into > alternative, renewable energy, along with a reduction in consumption. > Land in private ownership, with few exceptions, gets developed. > Period. Will we develop all of it before we stop and control > population growth and pavement of the land? June _______________________________________________ Owen mailing list Owen@owenconnections.com https://my.binhost.com/lists/listinfo/owen Full archives at: http://archives.binhost.com/~owen _______________________________________________ Owen mailing list Owen@owenconnections.com https://my.binhost.com/lists/listinfo/owen Full archives at: http://archives.binhost.com/~owen From klowen at hsnp.com Wed Jul 21 04:57:39 2004 From: klowen at hsnp.com (lawrence) Date: Thu Mar 24 11:51:06 2005 Subject: [owen] eve Message-ID: <000a01c46f00$c7145c60$9989fea9@oemcomputer> Homer -- Eve ate because she was openminded, curious. If, as you said, her eating led to humanism, then hooray for Eve, for her eating led to Shakespeare and Newton and the Declaration of Independence. And the opposite of humanism? Godism? Suck-up-to-big-daddy-ism? Cheers -- Lawrence -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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You liberals can deny bias all you want. but here is a great example right in your face. Had Condi Rice done this, the governemt would have stopped and she would have been in legirons right now. The Dems would be screaming we must investigate this due to the seriousness of the accusation. Berger took these sensitive papers last October from the National Archives, had his house searched by the FBI in January, and we, the people, are just now hearing about it. And the Dems are crying now, ala Tom Daschle, "We are concerned about the timing of the leak." Joe Wilson's lie about the Niger "yellowcake" deal, Sandy Berger's "trousergate", what next.....stay tuned! The Dems are in panic mode and apparently will stop t nothing to keep the "evil Dubya" from going back to the White House. Roger -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://my.binhost.com/pipermail/owen/attachments/20040721/22ceb9ca/attachment.htm From justin.newman at binhost.com Wed Jul 21 15:08:04 2004 From: justin.newman at binhost.com (Justin B. Newman) Date: Thu Mar 24 11:51:07 2005 Subject: [owen] Sandy "burglar" Berger In-Reply-To: <000a01c46f35$b2e3a630$6401a8c0@RogerOwen> References: <000a01c46f35$b2e3a630$6401a8c0@RogerOwen> Message-ID: <4B1BDA48-DB49-11D8-A2E6-000393A6F71A@binhost.com> Roger, I submit a better quote of the day (from the Washington Times, which is by no means liberal media): The confusion produced some possible classic Washington lines, including Sen. Saxby Chambliss, Georgia Republican, saying: "I don't know what happened to these documents after they were put in Mr. Berger's pants." The FBI has been investigating the violation of federal law since last year. That's the appropriate action. If it were Condi Rice, she's a _sitting_ Natl. Sec. Advisor. The govt. would have stopped until she resigned such that she weren't continuing to potentially breach national security. If this had happened when Berger was sitting, it would have been a big deal too. The fact is, at this point, he can't resign or anything ... he has no position. Therefore, it's simply a criminal matter. He should proceed through the legal system and face the consequences for any crime he may have committed. -jbn On Jul 21, 2004, at 11:16 AM, Roger Owen wrote: > A quote from Clinton's National Security Advisor, Sandy Berger...."I > did not have relations with those papers that I inadvertantly stuck in > my shirt, pants, underwear, and socks!". > ? > You liberals can deny bias all you want. but here is a great example > right in your face.? Had Condi Rice done this, the governemt would > have stopped and she would have been in legirons right now.? The Dems > would be screaming we must investigate this due to the seriousness of > the accusation. > ? > Berger took these sensitive papers last October from the National > Archives, had his house searched by the FBI in January, and we, the > people, are just now hearing about it.? And the Dems are crying now, > ala Tom Daschle, "We are concerned about the timing of the leak." > ? > Joe Wilson's lie about the Niger "yellowcake" deal, Sandy Berger's > "trousergate", what next.....stay tuned!? The Dems are in panic mode > and apparently will stop t nothing to keep the "evil Dubya" from going > back to the White House. > ? > Roger > _______________________________________________ > Owen mailing list > Owen@owenconnections.com > https://my.binhost.com/lists/listinfo/owen > Full archives at: http://archives.binhost.com/~owen From klowen at hsnp.com Wed Jul 21 17:48:41 2004 From: klowen at hsnp.com (lawrence) Date: Thu Mar 24 11:51:07 2005 Subject: [owen] berger Message-ID: <000a01c46f6c$7fc3b560$9989fea9@oemcomputer> Justin -- You bit the bait that Roger threw out to liberals. And you made sense. Wrote reasonably. I could smell no foul odors that might have emanated from your very keypad. What is wrong? You even sound as if you do not breathe hideous vapors out into the community. You can't be a liberal. I think I am supposed to feel unclean from merely typing out the dreaded word. Cheers -- Lawrence -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://my.binhost.com/pipermail/owen/attachments/20040721/de219af0/attachment.htm From rowen1 at triad.rr.com Wed Jul 21 16:25:06 2004 From: rowen1 at triad.rr.com (Roger Owen) Date: Thu Mar 24 11:51:07 2005 Subject: [owen] Liberals Message-ID: <001f01c46f60$cfd36de0$6401a8c0@RogerOwen> Good response Lawrence. There is a lot of bait out there, and most of it does smell afoul. For all of you WMD naysayers, looks like they found three nuclear missiles under 6 foot of concrete in Tikrit. (disavowed by the Sadaam's people) Again for those of you who has called Bush a liar, he acted upon the intelligence that he got. Bad intelligence? Yes! Why? Clinton's cutting of the CIA's budget which cut the number of spies and our ability to obtain good intelligence. Pretty simple if you look at the broad picture. A lot of people accuse Bush of knowing about 9/11 beforehand. The people in the beltway that are accusing him of this are those same ones who, with Clinton looked the other way when it came to Osama, and to make sure that no one knew the truth, sent Berger to remove the evidence. It's all a well ocrchestrated game to destroy Bush. But finally the truth is coming out. Somewhere I read, "The truth shall set you free." Maybe some of the stench will away someday. Roger -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://my.binhost.com/pipermail/owen/attachments/20040721/2fc43e50/attachment.htm From rowen1 at triad.rr.com Wed Jul 21 16:33:39 2004 From: rowen1 at triad.rr.com (Roger Owen) Date: Thu Mar 24 11:51:07 2005 Subject: [owen] Berger Message-ID: <000a01c46f62$01ea0a90$6401a8c0@RogerOwen> This is simply unbelievable. This afternoon, Terry McAuliffe has filed a request under the Freedom of Information Act requesting to see all correspondence of the investigation of Berger that flowed between the Justice Dept. and the White House. Never mind the seriousness of the act, "Stealing sensitive documents from the National Archives and walking out with them stuffed under your clothes." They just want to ignore that and try to prove that Bush again did something wrong. Can anyone reading this posting take a stand in favor of what Berger did? I would really be interested in knowing. Roger -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://my.binhost.com/pipermail/owen/attachments/20040721/b4fe602e/attachment.htm From june at binhost.com Wed Jul 21 17:30:14 2004 From: june at binhost.com (June Newman) Date: Thu Mar 24 11:51:07 2005 Subject: [owen] book swap, anyone? Message-ID: <2748A8A4-DB5D-11D8-9477-000A95C48E6C@binhost.com> I'm packing books and have identified some that I don't want to keep for an assortment of reasons. I'd like to take a few to the reunion, spread them on a table with some you all don't want, and swap, one for one. If you'd tote one or more to Tyler, please say so. My little lot does not need a round-trip ticket. I promise not to ask any of you why you own such and such a book if you'll return the favor. June From joshbelbeck at comcast.net Wed Jul 21 17:57:42 2004 From: joshbelbeck at comcast.net (Josh Belbeck) Date: Thu Mar 24 11:51:07 2005 Subject: [owen] DOMA challenge Newsflash Message-ID: Newsflash for those who are against homosexual marriage. The snowball just started rolling. Just an FYI http://www.frc.org/get.cfm?i=WU04G15 First Real Lawsuit Filed to Overturn Federal DOMA. A lawyer in Florida has filed a lawsuit challenging the federal Defense of Marriage Act on behalf of a lesbian couple that was "married" in Massachusetts and would now like Florida to recognize their union. This is exactly the type of lawsuit we have been warning about since the Massachusetts decision came down, and if decided wrongly, it could lead to the forced recognition of same-sex "marriage" in all 50 states. While other individuals and groups have tried unsuccessfully in the past to challenge the federal DOMA - a law FRC helped craft back in 1996 - this is the first case with a couple that actually has the ability to file suit, since prior to the Massachusetts decision no American same-sex couples were legally "married." This presents an interesting question: should DOMA be struck down, will all those Senate Democrats who voted against the amendment last week because "DOMA is sufficient" now support the amendment? Or was DOMA merely a convenient excuse to vote against the amendment without having to officially support same-sex "marriage"? We're not the only ones asking that question. In fact, some pro-homosexual lobbying groups are now planning to protest at the Democratic Convention next week because while their Senators voted against the amendment, they did so while still proclaiming their opposition to same-sex "marriage", and that's not good enough for the extremists in their party. With your continued support, FRC will vehemently defend the constitutionality of the federal DOMA, but if an activist judge strikes it down the flood gates will open. That's why we need an amendment to the U.S. Constitution. And that's why we need it right now. Love Josh -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://my.binhost.com/pipermail/owen/attachments/20040721/e27b12db/attachment.htm From sowen at telepath.com Wed Jul 21 18:52:44 2004 From: sowen at telepath.com (Susan Owen) Date: Thu Mar 24 11:51:07 2005 Subject: [owen] book swap, anyone? Message-ID: <410-220047321225244654@telepath.com> June I will bring some books. Susan > [Original Message] > From: June Newman > To: > Date: 7/21/2004 4:30:20 PM > Subject: [owen] book swap, anyone? > > I'm packing books and have identified some that I don't want to keep > for an assortment of reasons. I'd like to take a few to the reunion, > spread them on a table with some you all don't want, and swap, one for > one. If you'd tote one or more to Tyler, please say so. My little lot > does not need a round-trip ticket. I promise not to ask any of you why > you own such and such a book if you'll return the favor. > > June > > _______________________________________________ > Owen mailing list > Owen@owenconnections.com > https://my.binhost.com/lists/listinfo/owen > Full archives at: http://archives.binhost.com/~owen From the_ahs at hometownsolutions.net Wed Jul 21 19:37:07 2004 From: the_ahs at hometownsolutions.net (Arne & Athena Kildegaard) Date: Thu Mar 24 11:51:07 2005 Subject: [owen] book swap, anyone? In-Reply-To: <2748A8A4-DB5D-11D8-9477-000A95C48E6C@binhost.com> References: <2748A8A4-DB5D-11D8-9477-000A95C48E6C@binhost.com> Message-ID: <40FEFE23.5070803@hometownsolutions.net> Great idea! Count me in. I had once thought of a similar exchange whereby we bring unfinished projects we know we'll probably never finish. But then last week I was enlisted in helping someone finish a project her daughter had started sometime in the 70s (a Granny squares afghan in quintessential 70s colors) and I realized that picking up someone else's project just doesn't have much appeal! --Athena June Newman wrote: > I'm packing books and have identified some that I don't want to keep > for an assortment of reasons. I'd like to take a few to the reunion, > spread them on a table with some you all don't want, and swap, one for > one. If you'd tote one or more to Tyler, please say so. My little > lot does not need a round-trip ticket. I promise not to ask any of you > why you own such and such a book if you'll return the favor. > > June > > _______________________________________________ > Owen mailing list > Owen@owenconnections.com > https://my.binhost.com/lists/listinfo/owen > Full archives at: http://archives.binhost.com/~owen > From the_ahs at hometownsolutions.net Wed Jul 21 19:43:47 2004 From: the_ahs at hometownsolutions.net (Arne & Athena Kildegaard) Date: Thu Mar 24 11:51:07 2005 Subject: [owen] books Message-ID: <40FEFFB3.3040702@hometownsolutions.net> I should have added... Books, on the other hand, have a timeless appeal. From klowen at hsnp.com Thu Jul 22 10:50:05 2004 From: klowen at hsnp.com (lawrence) Date: Thu Mar 24 11:51:07 2005 Subject: [owen] berger Message-ID: <000a01c46ffb$2dd00b20$9989fea9@oemcomputer> Roger -- The proper authorities should investigate Berger's actions. If he committed a crime he should be charged and tried. Perhaps, since this is a political situation, Berger can become a successful criminal in the manner of Oliver North, G.Gordon Liddy, Charles Colson, and John Poindexter. Republicans know how to treat their pet criminals. Lawrence -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://my.binhost.com/pipermail/owen/attachments/20040722/b1cf125c/attachment.htm From howen at netvision.net.il Thu Jul 22 11:02:25 2004 From: howen at netvision.net.il (Homer Owen) Date: Thu Mar 24 11:51:07 2005 Subject: [owen] FW: HUMOR: WHY GOD CREATED CHILDREN In-Reply-To: Message-ID: This might help a little more about Adam and Eve eating what they shouldn't have. WHY GOD CREATED CHILDREN AND, IN THE PROCESS, GRANDCHILDREN To those of us who have children in our lives, whether they are our own, our grandchildren, nieces, nephews, or students ... here is something to make you chuckle. Whenever your children seem a bit on the wild side, you can take comfort from the thought that even God's omnipotence did not extend to His own children--because He'd given them Free Will. After God created the heavens and the earth, He created Adam and Eve. And the first thing He said was, "DON'T!" "Don't what?" asked Adam. "Don't eat the forbidden fruit," God answered. "Forbidden fruit? We have forbidden fruit? Hey Eve, we have forbidden fruit!!!" "No way!" "Yes, way!" "Do NOT eat that fruit," God warned. "Why?" "Because I am your Father and I said so," God replied, wondering why He hadn't stopped creation after making the elephants. Later, God saw His children having an apple break, and He was ticked! "Didn't I tell you NOT to eat that fruit?" God said. "Uh-huh," Adam answered. "Then why did you?" asked the Father. "I don't know," said Eve. "She started it," cried Adam. "Did not!" "Did too!" "DID NOT!" Having had it with the two of them, God's punishment was that Adam and Eve should have children of their own. This the pattern was set, and it has never changed. But there is reassurance in the story: If you have persistently and lovingly tried to give children wisdom and they haven't taken it yet, don't be hard on yourself. If God had trouble raising children, what makes you think it would be a piece of cake for you? Think about this: 1. You spend the first two years of their lives teaching them to walk and talk--and the next 16 years telling them to sit down and be quiet. 2. Grandchildren are God's reward for sparing the lives of your own children. 3. Children seldom misquote you. In fact, they usually repeat what you shouldn't have said word-for-word. 4. The main purpose of holding children's parties is to remind yourself that there are children more awful than your own. 5. Overheard: "We childproofed our home...but they are still getting in." 6. Good advice for parents: Be nice to your kids: They will someday choose your nursing home. 7. Better advice for parents: Be really loving to them, and they won't put you in a home, but take you into their home. From rowen1 at triad.rr.com Thu Jul 22 11:21:57 2004 From: rowen1 at triad.rr.com (Roger Owen) Date: Thu Mar 24 11:51:07 2005 Subject: [owen] berger References: <000a01c46ffb$2dd00b20$9989fea9@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <001801c46fff$a0acf690$6401a8c0@RogerOwen> This "trousergate" does appear as stupid at was "watergate". I can't believe that Berger did not know he was being watched and filmed. Republican or Democrat, this kind of behaviour is a sad indictment on our whole political system. Roger ----- Original Message ----- From: lawrence To: owen@owenconnections.com Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2004 10:50 AM Subject: [owen] berger Roger -- The proper authorities should investigate Berger's actions. If he committed a crime he should be charged and tried. Perhaps, since this is a political situation, Berger can become a successful criminal in the manner of Oliver North, G.Gordon Liddy, Charles Colson, and John Poindexter. Republicans know how to treat their pet criminals. Lawrence ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Owen mailing list Owen@owenconnections.com https://my.binhost.com/lists/listinfo/owen Full archives at: http://archives.binhost.com/~owen -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://my.binhost.com/pipermail/owen/attachments/20040722/5b42047c/attachment.htm From kmcassels at sbcw-law.com Thu Jul 22 11:35:54 2004 From: kmcassels at sbcw-law.com (Kelly Mack Cassels) Date: Thu Mar 24 11:51:07 2005 Subject: [owen] bergler In-Reply-To: <001801c46fff$a0acf690$6401a8c0@RogerOwen> Message-ID: <002801c47001$966fbd00$c793fea9@domain1> Agreed. Sounds to me like old Bill didn?t pick the sharpest knife in the drawer to be his National Security Advisor. No wonder Osama is still at large. Same for John ?French? Kerry who had him acting as an advisor in his campaign. Only the Republicans could get beat by the bunch of bunglers!! Where?s Ross Perot when you need him? Kelly -----Original Message----- From: owen-bounces@owenconnections.com [mailto:owen-bounces@owenconnections.com] On Behalf Of Roger Owen Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2004 9:22 AM To: owen@owenconnections.com Subject: Re: [owen] berger This "trousergate" does appear as stupid at was "watergate". I can't believe that Berger did not know he was being watched and filmed. Republican or Democrat, this kind of behaviour is a sad indictment on our whole political system. Roger --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.725 / Virus Database: 480 - Release Date: 7/19/04 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.725 / Virus Database: 480 - Release Date: 7/19/04 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://my.binhost.com/pipermail/owen/attachments/20040722/7ca53f3b/attachment.htm From joshbelbeck at comcast.net Thu Jul 22 11:35:54 2004 From: joshbelbeck at comcast.net (Josh Belbeck) Date: Thu Mar 24 11:51:07 2005 Subject: [owen] bergler In-Reply-To: <002801c47001$966fbd00$c793fea9@domain1> Message-ID: Perot: Last seen in a bunker prepared to protect his charts to the death. Or so I heard :-) Josh _____ From: owen-bounces@owenconnections.com [mailto:owen-bounces@owenconnections.com] On Behalf Of Kelly Mack Cassels Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2004 10:36 AM To: owen@owenconnections.com Subject: RE: [owen] bergler Agreed. Sounds to me like old Bill didn't pick the sharpest knife in the drawer to be his National Security Advisor. No wonder Osama is still at large. Same for John "French" Kerry who had him acting as an advisor in his campaign. Only the Republicans could get beat by the bunch of bunglers!! Where's Ross Perot when you need him? Kelly -----Original Message----- From: owen-bounces@owenconnections.com [mailto:owen-bounces@owenconnections.com] On Behalf Of Roger Owen Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2004 9:22 AM To: owen@owenconnections.com Subject: Re: [owen] berger This "trousergate" does appear as stupid at was "watergate". I can't believe that Berger did not know he was being watched and filmed. Republican or Democrat, this kind of behaviour is a sad indictment on our whole political system. Roger --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). 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Roger and Steven will help us set the mood by leading us in singing "The Eyes of Texas". * The first generation Sibling Choir will then sing "Amazing Grace". * The spouses of the first generation will then joion the choir in singing "Don't Fence Me In". * Lawrence will lead us all in singing "Down In the Valley". * The 2nd generation choir will sing a special song chosen by Becky & Susan. * Beth will lead everyone in singing "Yellow Rose of Texas". * The 3rd generation choir will sing a special song chosen by Linda & Andrea. * Brenda will lead us all in singing "Deep In The Heart of Texas" * If any 4th generation members show up we will make use of them. ** Kathleen & Bettye will close out the evening by leading us in singing special requested songs. If Susan or Becky, and Linda or Andrea will let me know the song they have chosen and the words for it I will include it in the song book of words for the songs mentioned above. Looking forward to seeing you all. Love, G P -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://my.binhost.com/pipermail/owen/attachments/20040722/0f2f7266/attachment.htm From klowen at hsnp.com Fri Jul 23 03:41:09 2004 From: klowen at hsnp.com (lawrence) Date: Thu Mar 24 11:51:07 2005 Subject: [owen] long box Message-ID: <001201c47088$6c2454c0$9989fea9@oemcomputer> NATE -- I was sitting in the back room reading when Kathleen came in with a long box from Georgia. Thank you Nate. Someday I'll figure some way to thank you properly. Cheers -- Lawrence -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://my.binhost.com/pipermail/owen/attachments/20040722/187abe45/attachment.htm From sowen at telepath.com Fri Jul 23 05:28:58 2004 From: sowen at telepath.com (Susan Owen) Date: Thu Mar 24 11:51:07 2005 Subject: [owen] request Message-ID: <410-22004752392858687@telepath.com> Homer sent an email about Why God created children. I accidently deleted it,. can someone send it to me. Thanks Susan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://my.binhost.com/pipermail/owen/attachments/20040723/b6d8e97b/attachment.htm From the_ahs at hometownsolutions.net Fri Jul 23 09:34:07 2004 From: the_ahs at hometownsolutions.net (Arne & Athena Kildegaard) Date: Thu Mar 24 11:51:07 2005 Subject: [owen] political parody Message-ID: <410113CF.8090400@hometownsolutions.net> http://www.jibjab.com/ Give it time, there's a long opening section with music and nothing happening. Just be patient! --Athena From res09jcs at verizon.net Sat Jul 24 15:27:04 2004 From: res09jcs at verizon.net (res09jcs) Date: Thu Mar 24 11:51:08 2005 Subject: [owen] Where do you Fall? Message-ID: <000a01c471b4$343e3300$33b50d04@home> To All on the connection: I have pondered the thought lately. Am I here on this earth as a spectator or as a participant? Am I here to be a conversationalist or the point of conversation? Am I here to help or to take or be selfish? Am I here to wait on others or to be waited on? I believe this list could continue quite extensively I pose these thoughts because I find that life is very complicated yet simple. We wake up each morning to experience a new day not knowing what the day will bring of course. We plan and have an idea of what the day will produce due to routines and schedules. Yet every day we either experience the unexpected or hear about the unanticipated tragedy. I find as I get a little older and experience a bit more of life the more I think I know the little I really know. We are living during a time when one can travel around the world in moments compared to the past. Where cultures clash and people around the world are faced with death just because they believe differently than another. I can sit and watch it all on CNN WOW ! I am happy that I can be apart of a family that is spread across this country with different beliefs and different views yet are still tied to each other as one through a bond of family. I am looking forward to seeing all at the reunion and would like to hear any and all thoughts on what I've posed I've received no comment on my last two postings Jan says this is very deep I lean towards thought provoking. My love to All Dean -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I have tried to help my fellow man, especially the underdogs.I am not proud of it but i am not very tolerant of Greedy people, and i dont try to be. I think we are living in the greatest time in the history of the earth, we are just being ruled by the wrong bunch, but that also will pass.I am so proud to be a part of the bunch Gleaves and Donnie were responsible for bringing into existince. I am also proud to be the oldest surviver, never was below 2nd, just below Jewel While on that subject i would sure like some volunteers for the next Reunion, how about Jewels gang doing it? I can hardly wait to see you all that can be there. Love you all Jack` From justin.newman at binhost.com Sat Jul 24 22:23:43 2004 From: justin.newman at binhost.com (Justin B. Newman) Date: Thu Mar 24 11:51:08 2005 Subject: [owen] Marriage Message-ID: Perhaps Dean's heady thoughts got my mind to working (albeit a big stretch)... or maybe it was the latest issue of _The Nation_ over dinner ... or ... well ... it doesn't matter. Tonight I've been giving thought to the arguments here and elsewhere around the marriage and/or civil union of same sex couples. I have a question for all of you who believe that marriage is a holy and religious function. Should the US Government or the State governments across this country be in a position to determine which religions are right and which ones are wrong? If not, then why should religions that believe in same-sex marriage not be allowed to marry same sex couples? If marriage is not a religious function, then why should the state care what sex two people are? Is there a state interest served by not having same-sex marriages? -jbn From klowen at hsnp.com Sun Jul 25 11:42:21 2004 From: klowen at hsnp.com (lawrence) Date: Thu Mar 24 11:51:08 2005 Subject: [owen] ideas we haven't tried Message-ID: <000a01c4725d$fa332f80$9989fea9@oemcomputer> Dean -- Thank you for posting your thoughts and please accept my apology for not carressing some ideas you floated. Your latest sent me to Robert Frost and his The Masque of Reason, in which he writes a breezy coda to the Book of Job. In the Masque, God sets up a little throne and visits with Job and Job's wife. Frost has God say to Job: "I've had you on my mind a thousand years. To thank you someday for the way you helped me Establish once for all the principle There's no connection man can reason out Between his just deserts and what he gets. Virtue may fail and wickedness succeed. 'Twas a great demonstration we put on." There is much more in the Masque and it's a delight. Reading around in Frost I came across a 1928 poem called "Riders." The surest thing there is is we are riders, And though none too successful at it, guiders, Through everything presented, land and tide And now the very air, of what we ride. What is this talked of mystery of birth But being mounted bareback on the earth? We can just see the infant up astride, His small fist buried in the bushy hide. There is our wildest mount -- a headless horse. But though it runs unbridled off its course, And all our blandishments would seem defied, We have ideas yet that we haven''t tried. Dean, your thoughts make me sense that you are determined to give the old earth the best ride in you. Spurs to you! Cheers -- Lawrence -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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As far as possible, without surrender, be on good terms with all persons. Speak your truth quietly and clearly; and listen to others, even to the dull and ignorant; they too have their story. Avoid loud and aggressive persons; they are vexatious to the spirit. If you compare yourself with others you may become vain or bitter, for always there will be greater and lesser persons than yourself. Enjoy your achievements as well as your plans. Keep interested in your own career, however humble, it is a real possession in the changing fortunes of time. Exercise caution in your business affairs, for the world is full of trickery. But let this not blind you to what virtue there is; many persons strive for high ideals, and everywhere life is full of heroism. Be yourself. Especially do not feign affection. Neither be cynical about love; for in the face of all aridity and disenchantment, it is as perennial as the grass. Take kindly the counsel of the years, gracefully surrendering the things of youth. Nurture strength of spirit to shield you in sudden misfortune. But do not distress yourself with dark imaginings. Many fears are born of fatigue and loneliness. Beyond a wholesome discipline, be gentle with yourself. You are a child of the universe no less than the trees and the stars; you have a right to be here. And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the universe is unfolding as it should. Therefore be at peace with God, whatever you conceive Him to be. And whatever your labours and aspirations, in the noisy confusion of life, keep peace in your soul. With all its sham, drudgery and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be cheerful. Strive to be happy. (Max Ehrmann was an attorney turned philosopher-poet who live in Terre Haute, Ind. He spent his life wrestling with the realities of making a living and following his personal calling to a life of poetry, literature, and thought. He wrote A Prayer, which became a message of hope for thousands, but he is best known for Desiderata, which he wrote for himself, "because it counsels those virtues I felt myself most in need of." Max included this work as part of a personal Christmas greeting in 1933, and Desiderata's power and appeal have continued to reach out to and significantly affect readers ever since. He died in 1945.) Love you all Dan O........................... -----Original Message----- From: owen-bounces@owenconnections.com [mailto:owen-bounces@owenconnections.com]On Behalf Of res09jcs Sent: Saturday, July 24, 2004 3:27 PM To: owen@owenconnections.com Subject: [owen] Where do you Fall? To All on the connection: I have pondered the thought lately. Am I here on this earth as a spectator or as a participant? Am I here to be a conversationalist or the point of conversation? Am I here to help or to take or be selfish? Am I here to wait on others or to be waited on? I believe this list could continue quite extensively I pose these thoughts because I find that life is very complicated yet simple. We wake up each morning to experience a new day not knowing what the day will bring of course. We plan and have an idea of what the day will produce due to routines and schedules. Yet every day we either experience the unexpected or hear about the unanticipated tragedy. I find as I get a little older and experience a bit more of life the more I think I know the little I really know. We are living during a time when one can travel around the world in moments compared to the past. Where cultures clash and people around the world are faced with death just because they believe differently than another. I can sit and watch it all on CNN WOW ! I am happy that I can be apart of a family that is spread across this country with different beliefs and different views yet are still tied to each other as one through a bond of family. I am looking forward to seeing all at the reunion and would like to hear any and all thoughts on what I've posed I've received no comment on my last two postings Jan says this is very deep I lean towards thought provoking. My love to All Dean -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://my.binhost.com/pipermail/owen/attachments/20040726/5d8f2d52/attachment.htm From cbeatherly at cox-internet.com Tue Jul 27 10:10:07 2004 From: cbeatherly at cox-internet.com (Barbara Eatherly) Date: Thu Mar 24 11:51:08 2005 Subject: [owen] craft item Message-ID: <00a101c473e3$6c071370$20264c42@DDR93531> Good morning to the greatest family on earth... I am working on a craft item that involves placement of "old" pieces of jewelry. Momma has given me several pieces from the Hodges side of our family and now I would like some jewels from the Owen side. If you have earscrews, earrings, small pendants, etc. that have belonged to members of our family that you are willing to contribute, please bring or send them to the reunion. I promise that each piece will be lovingly placed and remembered for years to come. Thanks. Looking forward to seeing you in Tyler. Love you much, Barbara -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://my.binhost.com/pipermail/owen/attachments/20040727/4d1fb3ec/attachment.htm From sowen at telepath.com Tue Jul 27 10:42:48 2004 From: sowen at telepath.com (Susan Owen) Date: Thu Mar 24 11:51:08 2005 Subject: [owen] craft item Message-ID: <410-220047227144248343@telepath.com> Ok, I will find some. I would love some hankies from members of our family. Can't wait till to see yall in Tyler Susan ----- Original Message ----- From: Barbara Eatherly To: Owen Family Sent: 7/27/2004 9:10:11 AM Subject: [owen] craft item Good morning to the greatest family on earth... I am working on a craft item that involves placement of "old" pieces of jewelry. Momma has given me several pieces from the Hodges side of our family and now I would like some jewels from the Owen side. If you have earscrews, earrings, small pendants, etc. that have belonged to members of our family that you are willing to contribute, please bring or send them to the reunion. I promise that each piece will be lovingly placed and remembered for years to come. Thanks. Looking forward to seeing you in Tyler. Love you much, Barbara -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://my.binhost.com/pipermail/owen/attachments/20040727/9599d8b9/attachment.htm From Dowen at wcvt.com Tue Jul 27 10:57:54 2004 From: Dowen at wcvt.com (Owen, Dan) Date: Thu Mar 24 11:51:08 2005 Subject: [owen] craft item Message-ID: <805AC326445AED4B907F72E6CDB5D763430F9A@tnetexchange.corp.wcvt.com> Okay, let me get this straight. Susan wants old used snot rags and Barbara want the family jewels. Wow I've definitely been away from Texas to long :) Love you all Dan O................ -----Original Message----- From: owen-bounces@owenconnections.com [mailto:owen-bounces@owenconnections.com]On Behalf Of Susan Owen Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2004 10:43 AM To: owen@owenconnections.com Subject: RE: [owen] craft item Ok, I will find some. I would love some hankies from members of our family. Can't wait till to see yall in Tyler Susan ----- Original Message ----- From: Barbara Eatherly To: Owen Family Sent: 7/27/2004 9:10:11 AM Subject: [owen] craft item Good morning to the greatest family on earth... I am working on a craft item that involves placement of "old" pieces of jewelry. Momma has given me several pieces from the Hodges side of our family and now I would like some jewels from the Owen side. If you have earscrews, earrings, small pendants, etc. that have belonged to members of our family that you are willing to contribute, please bring or send them to the reunion. I promise that each piece will be lovingly placed and remembered for years to come. Thanks. Looking forward to seeing you in Tyler. Love you much, Barbara -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://my.binhost.com/pipermail/owen/attachments/20040727/f0b0f5ee/attachment.htm From rowen1 at triad.rr.com Tue Jul 27 12:59:36 2004 From: rowen1 at triad.rr.com (Roger Owen) Date: Thu Mar 24 11:51:08 2005 Subject: [owen] Friday golf Message-ID: <000a01c473fb$1936e4f0$6401a8c0@RogerOwen> Mark, Robert, and Homer, can you play golf on Friday with an 11:00 tee time? Roger -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://my.binhost.com/pipermail/owen/attachments/20040727/52be9b69/attachment.htm From res09jcs at verizon.net Tue Jul 27 20:14:42 2004 From: res09jcs at verizon.net (res09jcs) Date: Thu Mar 24 11:51:08 2005 Subject: [owen] Response to "Where do you Fall" Message-ID: <001601c47437$e1a3d3d0$33b50d04@home> Thank you for your Responses: Jack I am honored that you and I share many ideals. I do not have your years of wisdom and experiences. I feel though I share your compassion for my fellow man and mother earth. I sometimes feel the challenges man faces today were created from greed and control of others and not of harmony. Man throughout history has destroyed ,killed and or manipulated the earth ,animals and most of all, his fellow man. In many ways good has prevailed but at an extremely high cost. We face another crossroad in the world today with good intentions all around. Yet if one looks deep into the hearts of the main characters involved -what will we find? Harmony or Discord how much sacrifice for the wealth of a few. Or is it really for the good of all? I digress please forgive me. Thank you Jack Also Uncle Jack, Jan thinks we might volunteer for the next reunion I think my brother Dan would be well suited for the challenge also I'm not sure if we qualify for hosting such a prestigious event. Justin your response was quite welcome I truly hope if I do nothing in this world , I can assist or provoke one to think positively I have done well. I also look forward to seeing you in Texas unfortunately Jan wont be there this year but I know she thinks highly of you and will miss seeing you this year. Thanks Justin Uncle Lawrence Thank you! I always look forward to your postings. I am always exhilarated with your broad scope of things. You challenge the mind and feed learning with an abundance of points of view. You are able to pull from many sources and always keep an open mind always at the ready for a good thought provoking moment. I appreciated the letter and whole heartedly agree. Love the article on the show and of course your student. Looking forward to some golf, maybe you can get some of your money back. See you in Texas Kelly I appreciated your response- short but to the point. I sense from your postings that you are a strong good Christian man. AMEN to you. I grew up with all the love of a good Christian man. When I was a youth I had a feeling that maybe I was called to serve God and of course I threw the challege to God that before I could help anyone I needed to learn about the world and about man. Boy what was I thinking. Life has been quite the challenge for me. I have attempted to experience as much of life as one can. It has been my experience that many who claim to be Christian become so single minded that they close out so much in either a protection mode or its just safe to believe your religious beliefs are right and obviously everyone else must be wrong. Unfortunately history has shown us that this has lead to the death's of billions of good minded people, all who believed their way was right. Jesus walked with the sinner's. The religious leaders of the time tortured and killed him for it. Dieing is easy, living is the hard thing. Living with all beliefs and caring for your fellow man, be it that he is gay, black, native American, Asian, or Arab this is the true challenge for Christians, Moslems, Buddhists, Hindus, Mormons, and Jews. Jesus taught Love. What's so hard to get about that? Its just one tough walk. Walk with God See with Jesus's eyes, let the world open to you. Love ya no matter what Big Brother Thanks. Ironically we have the Desiderata framed in calligraphy done by Jan's mother excellent inspiration. I have always looked up to you. I'm not sure why sometimes you have made me feel rather little brotherish. I am proud to have you as my big brother even if I don't always agree with your politics. Cant wait to see you in Texas. Love you Susan sorry I have no new or slightly used handkerchiefs. Will they help keep me cool while in Tyler? Barbra I have some of mother's jewelry I am sure I can find something see you in Tyler. Love to all from Seattle Dean P.S. Should I bring some smoked Salmon to Tyler? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://my.binhost.com/pipermail/owen/attachments/20040727/403c1340/attachment.htm From rowen1 at triad.rr.com Tue Jul 27 22:27:46 2004 From: rowen1 at triad.rr.com (Roger Owen) Date: Thu Mar 24 11:51:08 2005 Subject: [owen] Lawrence Message-ID: <005101c4744a$7847a660$6401a8c0@RogerOwen> We have 7 playing on Friday morning at 11:00. We really need you to make two foursomes. Would you reconsider playing at 11:00 on Friday morning? Thanks, Roger Owen, CLU, ChFC, CSA Longhorn Financial Advisors, LLC -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://my.binhost.com/pipermail/owen/attachments/20040727/43834e69/attachment.htm From kmcassels at sbcw-law.com Wed Jul 28 10:38:20 2004 From: kmcassels at sbcw-law.com (Kelly Mack Cassels) Date: Thu Mar 24 11:51:08 2005 Subject: [owen] Response to "Where do you Fall" In-Reply-To: <001601c47437$e1a3d3d0$33b50d04@home> Message-ID: <002c01c474b0$8a03fdc0$c793fea9@domain1> ?It has been my experience that many who claim to be Christian become so single minded that they close out so much in either a protection mode or its just safe to believe your religious beliefs are right and obviously everyone else must be wrong. Unfortunately history has shown us that this has lead to the death's of billions of good minded people, all who believed their way was right. Jesus walked with the sinner's. The religious leaders of the time tortured and killed him for it. Dieing is easy, living is the hard thing. Living with all beliefs and caring for your fellow man, be it that he is gay, black, native American, Asian, or Arab this is the true challenge for Christians, Moslems, Buddhists, Hindus, Mormons, and Jews. Jesus taught Love. What's so hard to get about that? Its just one tough walk. Walk with God See with Jesus? eyes, let the world open to you. Love ya no matter what.? Amen Dean. Peace to you, Kelly --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.725 / Virus Database: 480 - Release Date: 7/19/04 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.725 / Virus Database: 480 - Release Date: 7/19/04 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Roger -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://my.binhost.com/pipermail/owen/attachments/20040728/583aaa18/attachment.htm From SAOwen at TarrantCounty.com Wed Jul 28 11:04:33 2004 From: SAOwen at TarrantCounty.com (Steve Owen) Date: Thu Mar 24 11:51:08 2005 Subject: [owen] Excitement!!! Message-ID: July 28, 2004 Re: John Kerry and the Dems Dear Roger: Get over it. Love, Steve -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://my.binhost.com/pipermail/owen/attachments/20040728/c47ed28d/attachment.htm From jowen at greenhills.net Wed Jul 28 15:39:40 2004 From: jowen at greenhills.net (Jack) Date: Thu Mar 24 11:51:08 2005 Subject: [owen] OBAMA Message-ID: <200407281822.i6SIMm7Y018238@ghlin4.greenhills.net> I hope you all, especially you Republicans will read the most wonderful keynote adress at a political convention in the history of the united states."my opinion". His father was a Keynan goat herder, and his mother a Kansas white woman. He is a state senator in Illinois, running for United States Senator from Illinois Love you all Jack From rowen1 at triad.rr.com Wed Jul 28 14:54:20 2004 From: rowen1 at triad.rr.com (Roger Owen) Date: Thu Mar 24 11:51:09 2005 Subject: [owen] Excitement!!! References: Message-ID: <001901c474d4$4b3af3e0$6401a8c0@RogerOwen> And I forgot to add that he is exiting the convention center that nite via helicopter from the roof and is going straight to an aircraft carrier in the ocean. WOW! I don't know if I can get over it....it is just so damned exciting! Roger ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve Owen To: owen@owenconnections.com Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2004 11:04 AM Subject: RE: [owen] Excitement!!! July 28, 2004 Re: John Kerry and the Dems Dear Roger: Get over it. Love, Steve ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Owen mailing list Owen@owenconnections.com https://my.binhost.com/lists/listinfo/owen Full archives at: http://archives.binhost.com/~owen -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://my.binhost.com/pipermail/owen/attachments/20040728/aca7b5f1/attachment.htm From rowen1 at triad.rr.com Wed Jul 28 16:03:34 2004 From: rowen1 at triad.rr.com (Roger Owen) Date: Thu Mar 24 11:51:09 2005 Subject: [owen] Golf tee times Message-ID: <001001c474dd$f6ad3f40$6401a8c0@RogerOwen> We will play Garden Valley Resort both days (I did not get any feed back on the green fees). Friday's two groups will tee off at 11:00 AM and 11:10. Green fees wil be $49. Saturday's three groups will tee off a 9:30 AM. Green fees will be $65.00. Here's hoping for fairways and greens! Roger -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://my.binhost.com/pipermail/owen/attachments/20040728/492f501e/attachment.htm From rowen1 at triad.rr.com Wed Jul 28 16:16:30 2004 From: rowen1 at triad.rr.com (Roger Owen) Date: Thu Mar 24 11:51:09 2005 Subject: [owen] I just can't contain myself Message-ID: <000a01c474df$c55927e0$6401a8c0@RogerOwen> The Boston Globe has told us that Mr. Kerry purchased his 8mm film in Vietnam. After an ambush, Kerry would go back to the sight and re-enact the fight for the camera. He would even hold interviews with himself expounding on his bravery. He would wear army fatigues for the movie although he was a navy man. I know that I seem obsessed about all of this, but it is just more than my mind can grab "ahold to" all at once. Roger -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://my.binhost.com/pipermail/owen/attachments/20040728/2384b3eb/attachment.htm From janandean.jd at verizon.net Wed Jul 28 17:15:43 2004 From: janandean.jd at verizon.net (janomanning) Date: Thu Mar 24 11:51:09 2005 Subject: [owen] OBAMA References: <200407281822.i6SIMm7Y018238@ghlin4.greenhills.net> Message-ID: <003f01c474e8$0b45b950$33b50d04@home> Dear Jack What a good speaker Mr Obama is. I especially like his message of we are all just "Americans"! I don't want to be labeled with any political party. The negative ads really bother me. We need to unite not divide. I think the speakers have all been very positive. Love you too! xooooox jan (other half of Dean) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jack" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2004 12:39 PM Subject: [owen] OBAMA > I hope you all, especially you Republicans will read the most > wonderful keynote adress at a political convention in the history of > the united states."my opinion". His father was a Keynan goat > herder, and his mother a Kansas white woman. He is a state > senator in Illinois, running for United States Senator from Illinois > Love you all Jack > > _______________________________________________ > Owen mailing list > Owen@owenconnections.com > https://my.binhost.com/lists/listinfo/owen > Full archives at: http://archives.binhost.com/~owen > From klowen at hsnp.com Wed Jul 28 19:42:22 2004 From: klowen at hsnp.com (lawrence) Date: Thu Mar 24 11:51:09 2005 Subject: [owen] Lawrence References: <005101c4744a$7847a660$6401a8c0@RogerOwen> Message-ID: <001401c474fc$8ac407e0$9989fea9@oemcomputer> Count me out Roger. I look forward to playing on Saturday. Lawrenc ----- Original Message ----- From: Roger Owen To: owen@owenconnections.com Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2004 7:27 PM Subject: [owen] Lawrence We have 7 playing on Friday morning at 11:00. We really need you to make two foursomes. Would you reconsider playing at 11:00 on Friday morning? Thanks, Roger Owen, CLU, ChFC, CSA Longhorn Financial Advisors, LLC ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Owen mailing list Owen@owenconnections.com https://my.binhost.com/lists/listinfo/owen Full archives at: http://archives.binhost.com/~owen -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://my.binhost.com/pipermail/owen/attachments/20040728/e815a75d/attachment.htm From Dowen at wcvt.com Wed Jul 28 19:23:04 2004 From: Dowen at wcvt.com (Owen, Dan) Date: Thu Mar 24 11:51:09 2005 Subject: [owen] Bluenecks........ Message-ID: <805AC326445AED4B907F72E6CDB5D7630595A1@tnetexchange.corp.wcvt.com> All, We may all be "Americans" as Obama pointed out last night but for whatever reasons we feel the need to segment into sub groups such as Democrats/Republicans and conservative/liberal for example. I have just discovered a new sub group entitled bluenecks. The following explains who they are: What is a BLUENECK? Bluenecks are NORTHERNERS. By now I'm sure that you've heard all the Redneck jokes. Here are some takes on how Southern folks look at their Northern cousins: YOU JUST MIGHT BE A BLUE NECK IF: 1. You think barbecue is a verb meaning, "to cook outside." 2. You think Heinz Ketchup is REALLY spicy! 3. You don't have any problems pronouncing "Worcestershire sauce" correctly. 4. For breakfast, you would prefer potatoes au gratin to grits. 5. You have never, ever eaten okra, fried or boiled. 6. You eat fried chicken with a knife and fork. 7. You have no idea what a polecat is. 8. You don't see anything wrong with putting a sweater on a poodle. 9. You don't have bangs. 10. You would rather vacation at Martha's Vineyard than Six Flags. 11. You would rather have your son become a lawyer ! than grow up to get his own TV fishing show. 12. Instead of referring to two or more people as "y'all," you call them "you guys," even if both of them are women. 13. You have never planned your summer vacation around a gun-n-knife show. 14. You think more money should go to important scientific research at your University than to increase salary of head football coach. 15. You don't have at least one can of WD-40 somewhere around the house. (Not to even mention duct tape!) 16. The last time you smiled was when you prevented someone from getting on an "on-ramp" to the highway. 17. You don't have any hats in your closet that advertise feed stores. 18. You call binoculars opera glasses. 19. You can't spit out the car window without pulling over to the side of road and stopping. 20. You would never wear pink or an appliqu?d sweatshirt. 21. You don't know anyone with at least two first names (i. e. Joe Bob, Faye Ellen, Billy Ray, Mary Jo, Bubba D! ean, Joe Dan, Bubba Roy). 22. You don't have doilies, and you don't know how to make one. 23. You get freaked when people on the subway talk to you. 24. You can do your laundry without quarters. 25. None of your fur coats are homemade. Love you all Dan o................... -----Original Message----- From: owen-bounces@owenconnections.com on behalf of janomanning Sent: Wed 7/28/2004 5:15 PM To: owen@owenconnections.com Subject: Re: [owen] OBAMA Dear Jack What a good speaker Mr Obama is. I especially like his message of we are all just "Americans"! I don't want to be labeled with any political party. The negative ads really bother me. We need to unite not divide. I think the speakers have all been very positive. Love you too! xooooox jan (other half of Dean) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jack" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2004 12:39 PM Subject: [owen] OBAMA > I hope you all, especially you Republicans will read the most > wonderful keynote adress at a political convention in the history of > the united states."my opinion". His father was a Keynan goat > herder, and his mother a Kansas white woman. He is a state > senator in Illinois, running for United States Senator from Illinois > Love you all Jack > > _______________________________________________ > Owen mailing list > Owen@owenconnections.com > https://my.binhost.com/lists/listinfo/owen > Full archives at: http://archives.binhost.com/~owen > _______________________________________________ Owen mailing list Owen@owenconnections.com https://my.binhost.com/lists/listinfo/owen Full archives at: http://archives.binhost.com/~owen -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://my.binhost.com/pipermail/owen/attachments/20040728/80f96123/attachment.htm From amnotmyown at juno.com Fri Jul 30 15:30:10 2004 From: amnotmyown at juno.com (Dian D Belbeck) Date: Thu Mar 24 11:51:09 2005 Subject: [owen] I just can't contain myself Message-ID: <20040730.133010.2852.0.amnotmyown@juno.com> Have you counted me in on fri and sat. Dan B ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! From klowen at hsnp.com Thu Jul 29 08:36:46 2004 From: klowen at hsnp.com (lawrence) Date: Thu Mar 24 11:51:09 2005 Subject: [owen] politics Message-ID: <000c01c47568$c8e33ac0$9989fea9@oemcomputer> Roger -- Whence cometh your moral clarity about Kerry's conduct in and after his service in Vietnam? I remember those times as being particularly troubling for all who sought to know clearly who was right and who wrong ? Some of my students talked with me about their options and I felt it important to help them understand what actions were open to them -- then to assure them that I was on their side, no matter what action they took. That meant that I supported David who went through the legal process to become a conscientious objector. David served two years on the mental ward in a big general hospital in Minneapolis as his alternate service. That meant that I supported those who went into the military and served as required. And I supported a couple of hippie types who fled to Sweden and lived there several years. I marched against the war and wrote too many letters to editors and representatives. The Vietnam War brought out all manner of moral behavior, just as it led to My Lai and the hideous destruction caused by Agent Orange. I wonder how it is you have arrived, lo all these years after the Vietnam War, at moral clarity which makes it possible for you to so harshly judge the behavior of one of your fellow Americans who both fought in the war and fought against the war. What moral standards support your judgment that Kerry's conduct in and after the war merits your stern moral condemnation? Best -- Lawrence -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://my.binhost.com/pipermail/owen/attachments/20040729/37c3f8be/attachment.htm From rowen1 at triad.rr.com Thu Jul 29 08:28:42 2004 From: rowen1 at triad.rr.com (Roger Owen) Date: Thu Mar 24 11:51:09 2005 Subject: [owen] politics References: <000c01c47568$c8e33ac0$9989fea9@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <003801c47567$959bbf30$6401a8c0@RogerOwen> Easy question to answer Uncle. There is no moral clarity at all. I too respected everyone's inner most feelings as to how they should handle their lives when it came to the Vietnam War. My point is simply to show that Mr. Kerry flip flops now as he flip flopped back then. To stage ambushes so he could be shown as the hero through the lens of a 8 mm camera at a later date and use those to try and fool the American public in a political race is reprehensible. His running on such a strong military platform is ridiculous after what he did in the aftermath of Vietnam and upon the musing of his Senate voting record in all things military. So you see Uncle, you had it all wrong. No moral clarity judgement here, just a few facts that point out what a poor excuse Mr, Kerry is as a human being for us to have as a Presidential candidate. (one man's opinion) This country needs decisive men who stick to their guns whether they are popular or not, as long as they believe in our national interest. You have stated many shortcomings of Bush on several occasions. (and you are welcome to your opinion) But may I ask you where do you get the moral clarity to say the things that you do about the President of our great country? Roger ----- Original Message ----- From: lawrence To: owen@owenconnections.com Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2004 8:36 AM Subject: [owen] politics Roger -- Whence cometh your moral clarity about Kerry's conduct in and after his service in Vietnam? I remember those times as being particularly troubling for all who sought to know clearly who was right and who wrong ? Some of my students talked with me about their options and I felt it important to help them understand what actions were open to them -- then to assure them that I was on their side, no matter what action they took. That meant that I supported David who went through the legal process to become a conscientious objector. David served two years on the mental ward in a big general hospital in Minneapolis as his alternate service. That meant that I supported those who went into the military and served as required. And I supported a couple of hippie types who fled to Sweden and lived there several years. I marched against the war and wrote too many letters to editors and representatives. The Vietnam War brought out all manner of moral behavior, just as it led to My Lai and the hideous destruction caused by Agent Orange. I wonder how it is you have arrived, lo all these years after the Vietnam War, at moral clarity which makes it possible for you to so harshly judge the behavior of one of your fellow Americans who both fought in the war and fought against the war. What moral standards support your judgment that Kerry's conduct in and after the war merits your stern moral condemnation? Best -- Lawrence ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ Owen mailing list Owen@owenconnections.com https://my.binhost.com/lists/listinfo/owen Full archives at: http://archives.binhost.com/~owen -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://my.binhost.com/pipermail/owen/attachments/20040729/550c23f6/attachment.htm From rowen1 at triad.rr.com Thu Jul 29 08:30:08 2004 From: rowen1 at triad.rr.com (Roger Owen) Date: Thu Mar 24 11:51:09 2005 Subject: [owen] I just can't contain myself References: <20040730.133010.2852.0.amnotmyown@juno.com> Message-ID: <003e01c47567$c90202d0$6401a8c0@RogerOwen> Yes, my cousin, I have counted you in, and I would recommend that you bring plenty of cash. Dean tells me that he has gotten his driver reshafted and is hitting it off the charts. Roger ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dian D Belbeck" To: Sent: Friday, July 30, 2004 3:30 PM Subject: Re: [owen] I just can't contain myself > Have you counted me in on fri and sat. Dan B > > ________________________________________________________________ > The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! > Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! > Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! > _______________________________________________ > Owen mailing list > Owen@owenconnections.com > https://my.binhost.com/lists/listinfo/owen > Full archives at: http://archives.binhost.com/~owen From SAOwen at TarrantCounty.com Thu Jul 29 11:16:01 2004 From: SAOwen at TarrantCounty.com (Steve Owen) Date: Thu Mar 24 11:51:09 2005 Subject: [owen] JibJab Message-ID: For anybody who hasn't seen it yet: http://www.jibjab.com/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://my.binhost.com/pipermail/owen/attachments/20040729/12f8a4c1/attachment.htm From klowen at hsnp.com Thu Jul 29 15:15:45 2004 From: klowen at hsnp.com (lawrence) Date: Thu Mar 24 11:51:09 2005 Subject: [owen] clarity Message-ID: <001a01c475a0$8b145840$9989fea9@oemcomputer> Roger -- I gather from your sentences that you despise John Kerry. I wonder what informs such a negative judgment. Best -- Lawrence -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://my.binhost.com/pipermail/owen/attachments/20040729/efefa7c2/attachment.htm From rowen1 at triad.rr.com Thu Jul 29 17:42:07 2004 From: rowen1 at triad.rr.com (Roger Owen) Date: Thu Mar 24 11:51:09 2005 Subject: [owen] clarity References: <001a01c475a0$8b145840$9989fea9@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <007301c475b4$e567ba80$6401a8c0@RogerOwen> Contrare my dear uncle, I do not despise the man, John Kerry. I just despise what he stands for and the games that he is playing. I feel that this great country deserves a President that has a bit more character than he possesses. Again, one man's opinion. I am curious. What differs from what I have said about Kerry from what you have said about Bush and Cheney? Why would I be negative and you not be? From what you have stated on this website, I would gather that you despise Bush. What informs such a negative judgement from you? Roger ----- Original Message ----- From: lawrence To: owen@owenconnections.com Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2004 3:15 PM Subject: [owen] clarity Roger -- I gather from your sentences that you despise John Kerry. I wonder what informs such a negative judgment. Best -- Lawrence ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ Owen mailing list Owen@owenconnections.com https://my.binhost.com/lists/listinfo/owen Full archives at: http://archives.binhost.com/~owen -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://my.binhost.com/pipermail/owen/attachments/20040729/06c808b0/attachment.htm From rowen1 at triad.rr.com Fri Jul 30 04:23:46 2004 From: rowen1 at triad.rr.com (Roger Owen) Date: Thu Mar 24 11:51:09 2005 Subject: [owen] clarity References: <001a01c475a0$8b145840$9989fea9@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <001801c4760e$88f5db10$6401a8c0@RogerOwen> The following might be one of the informs of such a negative judgement. Do we want a President who self-inflicts wounds so he can win purple hearts? Although it might account for why he tossed them in the river---he knew that he really did not deserve them. Roger ----- Original Message ----- From: lawrence To: owen@owenconnections.com Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2004 3:15 PM Subject: [owen] clarity Roger -- I gather from your sentences that you despise John Kerry. I wonder what informs such a negative judgment. Best -- Lawrence ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ Owen mailing list Owen@owenconnections.com https://my.binhost.com/lists/listinfo/owen Full archives at: http://archives.binhost.com/~owen -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://my.binhost.com/pipermail/owen/attachments/20040730/04fc3c49/attachment.htm From rowen1 at triad.rr.com Fri Jul 30 04:37:37 2004 From: rowen1 at triad.rr.com (Roger Owen) Date: Thu Mar 24 11:51:09 2005 Subject: Fw: [owen] clarity Message-ID: <001301c47610$78597760$6401a8c0@RogerOwen> oops! for got the attachment.... KERRY WAR COMRADES PREPARE BATTLE -- AGAINST KERRY Capped by Kerry's primetime speech to accept the Democratic Party's nomination, Thursday's program will include appearances and remarks by Kerry's Swift Boat crewmates, the Kerry-Edwards campaign announced in a press release this morning. But a group of veterans will soon try to convince a nation how what is presented on the convention stage tonight -- may not be the full story: "Only 2 of John Kerry's 23 fellow Swift boat commanders from Coastal Division 11 support his candidacy today." A new bombshell book written by the man who took over John Kerry's Swift Boat charges: Two of John Kerry's three Purple Heart decorations (#1 and #3) resulted from self-inflicted wounds, not suffered under enemy fire. The startling Purple Heart accusations, outlined in detail for the first time, are found in UNFIT FOR COMMAND, Swift Boat Veterans Speak Out Against John Kerry. And that's just the beginning. ----- Original Message ----- From: Roger Owen To: owen@owenconnections.com Sent: Friday, July 30, 2004 4:23 AM Subject: Re: [owen] clarity The following might be one of the informs of such a negative judgement. Do we want a President who self-inflicts wounds so he can win purple hearts? Although it might account for why he tossed them in the river---he knew that he really did not deserve them. Roger ----- Original Message ----- From: lawrence To: owen@owenconnections.com Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2004 3:15 PM Subject: [owen] clarity Roger -- I gather from your sentences that you despise John Kerry. I wonder what informs such a negative judgment. 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A video from the early 90s called "The Clinton Chronicles," put out by stalwart Christian Republicans such as Jerry Falwell, informed viewers of Clinton's drug trafficking in Mena. Arkansas, of Clinton's complicity in several murders, of the 'murder' of Vince Foster. That video is a hoot! It is a pack of outrageous lies. And there are Republican operatives busy putting out crap about Kerry. You should enjoy it all Roger. You breathlessly informed us that Kerry would arrive in Boston by "amphibious carrier." Next time you go to Boston, why don't you ride that ferry and think of it as an "amphibious carrier." I didn'r believe Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld/Rice in 2002 when they told us that Iraq threatened America's security. I said so on this list. Iraq did not pose a threat to our security. Bush's claims did not fit the situation. I choose to call Bush's claims about the mushroom clouds, the unmanned aerial vehicles, the associations between Saddam and the 9/11 attackers, and the rest of the fear-mongering hype, a pack of lies. And I despise Bush for lying to us. . Best -- Lawrence. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://my.binhost.com/pipermail/owen/attachments/20040730/592d854a/attachment.htm From joshbelbeck at comcast.net Fri Jul 30 09:34:57 2004 From: joshbelbeck at comcast.net (Josh Belbeck) Date: Thu Mar 24 11:51:10 2005 Subject: [owen] just a few facts In-Reply-To: <003301c4763c$127e5100$9989fea9@oemcomputer> Message-ID: Uncle Lawrence. Why do you still lie about saddam and 9/11? You have yet to give proof that the administration has said saddam had anything to do with 9/11 and in fact have stated otherwise on numerous occasions. Unless of course bush is not allowed to talk about terrorism without bringing up terrorists? I find it troubling that the only people perpetuating this lie are the democrats. I only need 1 reason to not vote for kerry. He's an admitted murderer. That's sure to bring class back to the white house. Love Josh _____ From: owen-bounces@owenconnections.com [mailto:owen-bounces@owenconnections.com] On Behalf Of lawrence Sent: Friday, July 30, 2004 8:50 AM To: owen@owenconnections.com Subject: [owen] just a few facts Roger -- So when you tell us that Kerry is "a poor excuse for a human being," you are not judging him? You are not despising him? Oh??? A video from the early 90s called "The Clinton Chronicles," put out by stalwart Christian Republicans such as Jerry Falwell, informed viewers of Clinton's drug trafficking in Mena. Arkansas, of Clinton's complicity in several murders, of the 'murder' of Vince Foster. That video is a hoot! It is a pack of outrageous lies. And there are Republican operatives busy putting out crap about Kerry. You should enjoy it all Roger. You breathlessly informed us that Kerry would arrive in Boston by "amphibious carrier." Next time you go to Boston, why don't you ride that ferry and think of it as an "amphibious carrier." I didn'r believe Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld/Rice in 2002 when they told us that Iraq threatened America's security. I said so on this list. Iraq did not pose a threat to our security. Bush's claims did not fit the situation. I choose to call Bush's claims about the mushroom clouds, the unmanned aerial vehicles, the associations between Saddam and the 9/11 attackers, and the rest of the fear-mongering hype, a pack of lies. And I despise Bush for lying to us. . Best -- Lawrence. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://my.binhost.com/pipermail/owen/attachments/20040730/06a62c83/attachment.htm From SAOwen at TarrantCounty.com Fri Jul 30 10:21:50 2004 From: SAOwen at TarrantCounty.com (Steve Owen) Date: Thu Mar 24 11:51:10 2005 Subject: [owen] Propaganda issues for a Friday Message-ID: Josh, I don't know of a time in the last 2-3 years that W. has not tied Saddam to the 9/11 terrorists. If you had been paying attention, you would have heard him refer to Saddam and 9/11 in the same sentence every time his lips moved regarding his reasons for starting a war against Iraq. He didn't have to say that Saddam caused 9/11 in order for him to convince too many of us that Saddam was in league with the perps. All he had to do, and he did it masterfully with the help of Cheney, was borrow from the playbook of Joseph Goebbels by drumming into our heads, night and day, that Saddam was 9/11 writ large. What in the hell are you talking about when you say that Kerry is an admitted murderer? TGIF, Steve -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://my.binhost.com/pipermail/owen/attachments/20040730/a44ec14e/attachment.htm From Dowen at wcvt.com Fri Jul 30 10:31:59 2004 From: Dowen at wcvt.com (Owen, Dan) Date: Thu Mar 24 11:51:10 2005 Subject: [owen] just a few facts Message-ID: <805AC326445AED4B907F72E6CDB5D763430FA3@tnetexchange.corp.wcvt.com> Josh, Roger & Lawrence, Why do we need to demonize politicians we do not agree with. I certainly have my disagreements with most if not all politicians but I want to think I do not despise any of them. I admire anyone willing to give back to this country by serving elected office, regardless of party. I can despise a murderer or someone who harms others but it seems a little strong to hold such a strong emotion towards someone running for our highest elected office. Anyway that's how an Owen from Vermont sees it. Love you all Dan O.................... -----Original Message----- From: owen-bounces@owenconnections.com [mailto:owen-bounces@owenconnections.com]On Behalf Of Josh Belbeck Sent: Friday, July 30, 2004 9:35 AM To: owen@owenconnections.com Subject: RE: [owen] just a few facts Uncle Lawrence. Why do you still lie about saddam and 9/11? You have yet to give proof that the administration has said saddam had anything to do with 9/11 and in fact have stated otherwise on numerous occasions. Unless of course bush is not allowed to talk about terrorism without bringing up terrorists? I find it troubling that the only people perpetuating this lie are the democrats. I only need 1 reason to not vote for kerry. He's an admitted murderer. That's sure to bring class back to the white house. Love Josh _____ From: owen-bounces@owenconnections.com [mailto:owen-bounces@owenconnections.com] On Behalf Of lawrence Sent: Friday, July 30, 2004 8:50 AM To: owen@owenconnections.com Subject: [owen] just a few facts Roger -- So when you tell us that Kerry is "a poor excuse for a human being," you are not judging him? You are not despising him? Oh??? A video from the early 90s called "The Clinton Chronicles," put out by stalwart Christian Republicans such as Jerry Falwell, informed viewers of Clinton's drug trafficking in Mena. Arkansas, of Clinton's complicity in several murders, of the 'murder' of Vince Foster. That video is a hoot! It is a pack of outrageous lies. And there are Republican operatives busy putting out crap about Kerry. You should enjoy it all Roger. You breathlessly informed us that Kerry would arrive in Boston by "amphibious carrier." Next time you go to Boston, why don't you ride that ferry and think of it as an "amphibious carrier." I didn'r believe Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld/Rice in 2002 when they told us that Iraq threatened America's security. I said so on this list. Iraq did not pose a threat to our security. Bush's claims did not fit the situation. I choose to call Bush's claims about the mushroom clouds, the unmanned aerial vehicles, the associations between Saddam and the 9/11 attackers, and the rest of the fear-mongering hype, a pack of lies. And I despise Bush for lying to us. . Best -- Lawrence. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://my.binhost.com/pipermail/owen/attachments/20040730/7b15a4cb/attachment.htm From bbowen at wtrt.net Fri Jul 30 12:23:41 2004 From: bbowen at wtrt.net (Bobby Owen) Date: Thu Mar 24 11:51:10 2005 Subject: [owen] address change Message-ID: <000d01c47651$9489bda0$ce09f6d0@bbowen> Justin, Please change our e-address!! This is Brenda Harrison corresponding from Mom & Dad's. Our new address is harrisonfive@countrysky.net. If any of you others out there in Owen Connection cyber world want this change for your personal information, please make note!!!! Also, following on the coat tail of my older sister, Barbara, I would also like some priceless (or not so priceless) jewels from anyone who would be interested. We are getting really crafty in our years!!! Thanking you in advance for your help! love to all, brenda -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://my.binhost.com/pipermail/owen/attachments/20040730/e2b34277/attachment.htm From rowen1 at triad.rr.com Fri Jul 30 12:32:40 2004 From: rowen1 at triad.rr.com (Roger Owen) Date: Thu Mar 24 11:51:10 2005 Subject: [owen] just a few facts References: <003301c4763c$127e5100$9989fea9@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <004101c47652$d55bde20$6401a8c0@RogerOwen> I have ridden "the duck" and I believe that fits the amphibious definition. Roger ----- Original Message ----- From: lawrence To: owen@owenconnections.com Sent: Friday, July 30, 2004 9:49 AM Subject: [owen] just a few facts Roger -- So when you tell us that Kerry is "a poor excuse for a human being," you are not judging him? You are not despising him? Oh??? A video from the early 90s called "The Clinton Chronicles," put out by stalwart Christian Republicans such as Jerry Falwell, informed viewers of Clinton's drug trafficking in Mena. Arkansas, of Clinton's complicity in several murders, of the 'murder' of Vince Foster. That video is a hoot! It is a pack of outrageous lies. And there are Republican operatives busy putting out crap about Kerry. You should enjoy it all Roger. You breathlessly informed us that Kerry would arrive in Boston by "amphibious carrier." Next time you go to Boston, why don't you ride that ferry and think of it as an "amphibious carrier." I didn'r believe Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld/Rice in 2002 when they told us that Iraq threatened America's security. I said so on this list. Iraq did not pose a threat to our security. Bush's claims did not fit the situation. I choose to call Bush's claims about the mushroom clouds, the unmanned aerial vehicles, the associations between Saddam and the 9/11 attackers, and the rest of the fear-mongering hype, a pack of lies. And I despise Bush for lying to us. . Best -- Lawrence. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ Owen mailing list Owen@owenconnections.com https://my.binhost.com/lists/listinfo/owen Full archives at: http://archives.binhost.com/~owen -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://my.binhost.com/pipermail/owen/attachments/20040730/d6cd7db4/attachment.htm From rowen1 at triad.rr.com Fri Jul 30 12:39:22 2004 From: rowen1 at triad.rr.com (Roger Owen) Date: Thu Mar 24 11:51:10 2005 Subject: [owen] just a few facts References: <003301c4763c$127e5100$9989fea9@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <006f01c47653$c4abe7e0$6401a8c0@RogerOwen> Webster says that to despise is 1. to regard with contemptor scorn and 2. to dislike intensely. I prefaced my remarks as being "one man's opinion". My feelings for what Mr. Kerry stands for does not put me in the column of despising the man, no matter how hard you try to play your academic word games with me. Roger ----- Original Message ----- From: lawrence To: owen@owenconnections.com Sent: Friday, July 30, 2004 9:49 AM Subject: [owen] just a few facts Roger -- So when you tell us that Kerry is "a poor excuse for a human being," you are not judging him? You are not despising him? Oh??? A video from the early 90s called "The Clinton Chronicles," put out by stalwart Christian Republicans such as Jerry Falwell, informed viewers of Clinton's drug trafficking in Mena. Arkansas, of Clinton's complicity in several murders, of the 'murder' of Vince Foster. That video is a hoot! It is a pack of outrageous lies. And there are Republican operatives busy putting out crap about Kerry. You should enjoy it all Roger. You breathlessly informed us that Kerry would arrive in Boston by "amphibious carrier." Next time you go to Boston, why don't you ride that ferry and think of it as an "amphibious carrier." I didn'r believe Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld/Rice in 2002 when they told us that Iraq threatened America's security. I said so on this list. Iraq did not pose a threat to our security. Bush's claims did not fit the situation. I choose to call Bush's claims about the mushroom clouds, the unmanned aerial vehicles, the associations between Saddam and the 9/11 attackers, and the rest of the fear-mongering hype, a pack of lies. And I despise Bush for lying to us. . Best -- Lawrence. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ Owen mailing list Owen@owenconnections.com https://my.binhost.com/lists/listinfo/owen Full archives at: http://archives.binhost.com/~owen -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://my.binhost.com/pipermail/owen/attachments/20040730/cecdd672/attachment.htm From bbowen at wtrt.net Fri Jul 30 18:05:16 2004 From: bbowen at wtrt.net (Bobby Owen) Date: Thu Mar 24 11:51:10 2005 Subject: [owen] golf & reunion Message-ID: <001901c47681$4c302960$ce09f6d0@bbowen> Roger & G.P., A decision from the Harrison & Haschke families has been made concerning the reunion!! I regret that no golfers from my family will be attending. Only Beth & I will attend and we will arrive Saturday morning and depart Saturday evening. G.P. , I saw the schedule for the singing, and I do believe that it would be in the best interest of ALL that Barbara lead us in "Deep In the Heart of Texas". I do appreciate your confidence in me ~ I'm just not certain that others share that same confidence!!! Looking forward to hugs in Tyler! love, brenda -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://my.binhost.com/pipermail/owen/attachments/20040730/ea94bb75/attachment.htm From res09jcs at verizon.net Sat Jul 31 09:54:33 2004 From: res09jcs at verizon.net (res09jcs) Date: Thu Mar 24 11:51:10 2005 Subject: [owen] work place Message-ID: <000a01c47705$e8f33010$33b50d04@home> Good Day to All: They have finally got our web sight at work up and going. In case anyone is curious as to what golf looks like where I work go to www.membersclubataldarra.com the photos were taken in the fall and don't give the full experience of the NW its kind of cool. Love to All Dean -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://my.binhost.com/pipermail/owen/attachments/20040731/e10e54ac/attachment.htm From june at binhost.com Sat Jul 31 10:26:45 2004 From: june at binhost.com (June Newman) Date: Thu Mar 24 11:51:10 2005 Subject: [owen] work place In-Reply-To: <000a01c47705$e8f33010$33b50d04@home> References: <000a01c47705$e8f33010$33b50d04@home> Message-ID: Dean, when I try your link, I get a directory listing denied message. June On Jul 31, 2004, at 8:54 AM, res09jcs wrote: > ?? Good Day to All: > ? They have finally got our web sight at work up and going. > In case anyone is curious as to what golf looks like where I > work go to www.membersclubataldarra.com the photos > were taken in the fall and don't give the full experience of the > NW its kind of cool. > Love to All > Dean > _______________________________________________ > Owen mailing list > Owen@owenconnections.com > https://my.binhost.com/lists/listinfo/owen > Full archives at: http://archives.binhost.com/~owen From res09jcs at verizon.net Sat Jul 31 19:43:04 2004 From: res09jcs at verizon.net (res09jcs) Date: Thu Mar 24 11:51:10 2005 Subject: [owen] correction to work place Message-ID: <001401c47758$2055fc70$33b50d04@home> I'm not sure why the previous address wouldn't work try this http://www.membersclubataldarra.com/course.html this works I don't get it. Peace Dean -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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